Re: My little something...
- From: jt64@xxxxxxxx
- Date: 17 Jul 2006 10:37:05 -0700
Tom St Denis skrev:
Markus Jansson wrote:
Tom St Denis wrote:
Where did you get a 1024 bit curve?
From my head. :)
Where it should remain.
And why are you using it with
For security margin, since ECC is kinda new field. Currently 512bit ECC
would give same complexity as 256bit symmetric for bruteforcing I recall.
ECC is an older field than Twofish or AES designs are [AES is based off
a 1995 Ph.D. dissertation]. Your logic escapes me.
Even suppose there is an attack on ECC, why do you assume it will be a
sqrt/sqrt attack? If it goes sub-exp you could see 1024-bit ECC being
much weaker than 256-bits.
- Twofish (LRW) & Serpent (CTR) as symmetric cipher.
You mean you offer two ciphers in different modes or that you chain
Two ciphers in different modes with different, independend keys.
And this is supposed to be more secure or just harder to implement
"less-random" than the original package.- Whirpool as hash function (if 256bits is needed, output of Whirpool is
divided into two parts which are XOR:ed together).
Truncation is better than that.
Why? If there is "not-randomness" in the output, you might end up with
the piece that is "not-so-random". When you take the whole package,
split it half and XOR it, its unlikely that output would be
Why do you assume that breaks will be so predictable. What if the
break is that there is a correlation between halves of the output?
Then the XOR would no more entropy than just one of the halves.
If Whirlpool is a secure hash than truncation MUST BE just as secure as
XOR'ing the halves. Otherwise all bets are off.
Also do you plan on encrypting 2^256 files per password?
You don't need a 512-bit salt unless you plan to use your password
- Yarrow & Mersenne Twister & Fortuna (with Twofish) & Blum-Blum-Shub &
RtlGenRandom and user interactiveTM (mouse movement).
To get random numbers for ciphers. I dont want to end up in situation
where only one PRNG is used and then after few years we know it has
actually been broken or is otherwise bad PRNG. Combine few different
PRNG:s and failure in one or two does not compromise security.
This is nonsense. If anything your seeding data will be the source of
the compromise not the PRNG. Using multiple PRNGs from the same bad
entropy source is not going to make it more secure.
What are your specific goals you are trying to accomplish with
Kill some time and test my brains a bit. :p
You really need to learn about the primitives, their goals and
limitations before you even think about putting them together.
But with this one, as I sayed, I was thinking of upgrading current (lets
say PGP) encryption to littlebit more paranoid mode, just thinking did I
get most of it right or wrong...
If you want to upgrade PGP start with existing protocols. Integrate
GF(p) ECC into it and start using the Whirlpool and SHA-2 series
The goal of a cryptographer is to engineer [e.g. analyze, design,
develop] a cryptosystem that meets the needs of the user while not
Using "big keys and lots of bits" doesn't mean your more secure. A
bank with ECC-1024 and AES-512 with plywood walls on the vault isn't
all of a sudden "secure".
What if I told you for the next decade you can easily protect secrets
with an 80-bit symmetric key? Would that blow your mind?
No Tom it would not since my new rescheduling mode for key make the
precomputation overload for generating "internal state/pseudo keys"
from a guessed/bruteforced password impossible/none attractive.
The pseudo keys are the heart of a PRNG algorithm that use permutations
and XOR to create blockkey. That blockkey could be used on blocks of
any key multiple size
The "internal state keys"/pseudokeys has a many to one relationship
with the blockkey many combinations of pseudokeys can make a specific
So if the cipher can use an algorithm to "update key" and "not permute
the PRNG into next position" there would be a new set of "internal
And a new permutation setoff will take place just like you exchanged
key and started new session. Any analyse of previous ciphertext would
Because it is the new blockkey that do the encryption. And setoff for
"internal state/pseudokeys changed and you can not find out the new
internal state/pseudokeys since.....
Pseudokeys to-> blockkey is a oneway function.
What if I told you that essentially, barring advancements in the
practicallity of QC, 128-bit keys will still be useful for your great
grand childrens secrets?
Using the "big number theorem" is the first sign of a person who just
doesn't get it. You're looking at it from a "what crypto can I throw
around" instead of a "what am I trying to accomplish" point of view.
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