Re: Is Ari a Troll?

Ari Silverstein wrote: 
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:40:35 +1000, David Eather wrote:


I prefer to think of Ari as a shyster wrapped in a very offensive idiot. 


I came here looking for an overblown, egomaniacal, yapping dog/Personal
Troll with a misplaced sense of self-importance encumbered by delusions of
Usenet grandeur who will amuse fellow posters with constant acts of
childishness mixed with repetitive posts of utter nonsense proofing his
limited intellectual capacities and brain wasting foolery.

In you I have found my quest. 

I am glad to be of service.


I have some helpful information for you.

There are exactly two categories of people who might read any article you
post. The first group comprises those who know you're 
> a liar

When?

, a plagiarist,

Example Please?

a fraud 

How so?

and an idiot

Mike, I just knew your award would bite in the bum, but all forgiven - How does Ari rate when the village idiot can point out flaws in his encryption ideas?

.. The second includes only those who have never heard
of you. 

Always nice to meet new people.

If you want to maintain as good an image as possible, don't ever
post again. 

OK.  I will never go to the post box again. I don't know how that will help.

Your lies

Those are?

and incoherent nonsense

JP catches me out on occasion, but JP is very good at that stuff. He caught you out too, didn't he?

just give the first group an
opportunity to laugh at you, 

And a good thing too if your telling the joke in the first person.

and any of the second group who see that crap
will immediately migrate to the first. 

I'm sorry "the first"?  First beer, first cigar, first class?
 So your best bet is to STFU.

Lets see Ari,

You come calling with shit crypto ideas, that don't work, admit your not interested in learning and propose a system that is just a new way to rip people off, and your not even bothered by that (people here take crypto rather more seriously). You got a pooooor response from everyone, all of whom you abused with particularly foul language. So your behind the eight ball to start with - not doomed to be there forever but not the best place to start.

You come again with a new problem and you Usenet post that.

Now here is my problem. People who help other get a lot of millage in my book. People who use and abuse others don't.

The specific problem you put to the group is one I have come across several times (but not in a crypto related way). People who want some new fangled thing but aren't prepared to actually do anything about or for it (I describe this as "never to much trouble for someone else" - maybe someone named it before me. Is that plagiarism?)

I'll give you one example (more to waste your bandwidth than any expectation you will learn). I once worked for a faculty with a 12 million dollar budget. My own section had about .7 million of that, which was already spent. Someone decides it would be a good idea to back up and secure the budgeting spreed sheets, but they don't want to be bothered by it - no tapes, no discs, no Friday full back up and delivery to an off site location. The best we could do was a second hard drive and automatically copy the files at startup. 15 seconds every morning was just acceptable even though this backup solution is very poor. Ah but we have to do viruses too! Seems the all important computer is used for lunchtime games and playing a song called "magic mushroom". Just say no to games and I'll remove the boot FDD goes down like a lead balloon, but at least we can add a virus scanner.

The next day, MAJOR EMERGENCY - the computer takes 60 seconds longer to start an an extra few second to load the spreed sheets. I must take the virus scanner off. NO - it stays you have to learn to live with it. It is your only protection.

You can guess what happened. The brain behind the machine disables the virus scanner. A few days later a virus corrupts the data files and eventually screws the boot sectors / fat table and OS.

My fault (apparently) for not securing the system. Not the fault of the brainless ones who ignored all advice, turned of the virus scanner and didn't want to be troubled with backups. I'm sure many others have very similar stories.

So when Greg Rose gave you advice not to get involved, he gave good advice. GR is someone who is very helpful in this news group and one of the very shiniest pennies in the sci.crypt draw. It is not brown nosing to speak the facts.

Your response to the sensible advice was a string (well several strings depending on the language) of foul abuse.

And you response to me in our very first e-mail exchange was more foul abuse (abuse would have been fair enough seeing as I went out of my way to goad you) and claims that you had phucked my cat. Now there was a well balanced and academically excellent response for you.

I must admit I've had fun - too much. I really shouldn't do it. I think of you as sort of a headless chicken running to and fro without any reason, but still craping every where it goes. Its not really fair to invite it to any sort of discussion.


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