Re: The Chinese MD5 attack

Crypto_at_S.M.S
Date: 08/19/05 

Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:04:04 +1000

tomstdenis@gmail.com wrote:

> Regis wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:45:59 +0000 (UTC), "David Taylor"
>><davidt-news@yadt.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I would say that you greatly bore everyone here.
>>
>>Why?
>>Because he's pointing out the obvious fact that pretty much all the
>>"experts" in this group are just full of hot air?
>>
>>I for one am not the least bit bored.
>>In fact, I get quite a laugh out of every little incident where all
>>the "experts" proclaim how they can do this or that, or how they can
>>"break" something in some ridiculously short amount of time.
>>Why is it that claims are so easy to make, but proofs are so difficult
>>to come by?
>>Or better yet...why is it wrong to challenge the "experts" on their
>>claims?
>>Why is it that the person making the ridiculous claims doesn't get
>>ridiculed, but the person asking for proof DOES?
>
>
> Some of the *** by experts is wrong.
> Some of it, is taken out of context.
> Some of it, is just plain ***.
>
> I can say "don't use SHA-1" and not have a concrete reason why not to
> use it. Frankly I think it's a bad design and really, give me a reason
> why I should use it?
>
> Not everything is as black and white as you and your buddy SMS think it
> is. You can say "that's a bad idea" and not mean "that's provably 100%
> all the time a bad idea".
>
> I mean, you can juggle chainsaws. Literally. It's actually within the
> realm of all that is humanly possible. It's still not a good idea and
> I would recommend against doing it. Does that mean EVERYONE WHO
> JUGGLES CHAINSAWS WILL GET HURT ... ? No.
>
> If you and your buddy SMS grew up a bit and stopped taking everything
> out of context cuz it suits your fancy you'd realize there is a whole
> wide world out there with people who have differing opinions.
>

If you and your buddy Joe would just admit your mistakes then nobody
would have to hear about this. Nothing has been taken out of context.
Opinions have no place in a Scientific newsgroup. What we are looking
for here is facts, and what Joseph posted was fiction.

>
> Does that mean everything Ashwood has said is correct? No. Will he
> clear that mess up? Who knows. Furthermore, who cares? Be adult
> about this and just let it drop.
>
> Tom
>

No I will not let it drop. If that is childish then so be it.
Insults were posted and claims were made. Even Tom admits that
what Joe wrote was wrong. Now is the time for Joe Ashwood to
post a retraction of his claims and an apology for his insults.