Re: crypto for Tom St Denis ?

From: Dane Metcalfe (quack_deala_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 07/06/05 

Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:47:19 -0500

" "- Prof. Jonez©"" <jonez@norcom.ca> wrote in message
news:h0Wxe.32$jB5.7018@news.uswest.net...
> Tom St Denis wrote:
> > Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > In the real world it's upto the designer to prove their worth.
> >
> > This guy is layering on various diffrent algorithms all of which have
> > differing levels of security [some are broken even]
>
> Which one's are "broken" ?
> Prove it.
>
> >in a vain attempt
> > to say "you have to break all these first".
>
> Nothing vain about lamination, it's an accepted practice
> and endorsed by all the True Experts® in the field of crypto.
>
> While you self-appointed cryptocritic dipshits vainly search for the Holy
Grail
> Perfect Algorithm that "can't be broken" (eventually they all fail),
> the real world is left to use the material that is available. Lamination,
> even using imperfect layers, does add to the level of difficulty
> (resources, time, $$) to break any given message.
>
> I suppose you don't bother to lock your car when you park it,
> because you know after all the car can still be broken into,
> and when you park your car in the garage, you don't lock the
> garage, because after all that lock is also known to be breakable,
> and, you don't take the keys out of your locks that you do
> ironically use, because given the rather short differentiation of
> possible keys, some criminal is bound to have a ring/set with your
> key on it anyway, and the people that have car alarms might as well
> not bother setting them, because there are people/devices out there
> that can crack them, so why don't you just undo ALL the layered/laminated
> levels of security that you vainly practice in nearly every aspect of your
> everyday life, withdraw all your life savings $$ from the bank, place it
in the
> trunk of your car, and leave the keys in it, motor running and doors
> open, parked on the street tonight when you go to sleep, because
> in your world, layered security/lamination is vain, insecure, and
> a complete waste of time, eh?
>
> >
> > First off, that's bad engineering.
>
> Tell it to the structural plywood manufacturers, and
> structural glue-lam beam manufacturers, engineers,
> architects and builders, after all everyone knows those
> individual thin layers of wood aren't perfect, and break
> quite readily, so laminating them together couldn't possibly obtain
> any given target of strength or structural soundness, could it moron?
>
> Better to wait around, searching for that perfect single material/layer
> beam, stronger than steel, that can/will "never" fail, eh?
>
> >Perhaps it could be secure [I'm
> > not saying one way or the other without seeing code] but it's also
> > inefficient. It's the job of a competent cryptographer to not only
> > address the security needs but also to do so with a minimal use of
> > resources. In this, he fails miserably.
>
> Sez the jackass who can't comprehend lamination.
>
> >
> > Second, nowhere on his site does he talk about authentication. So
> > people can alter files and nobody is the wiser...
> >
> > At anyrate it's not upto Joe to analyze it.
>
> It is when he laughably makes the unsubstantiated claim that
> he, or anyone smarter than some bubble-headed housewife,
> can readily break a given piece of encryption in less than
> "an hour".
>
> >Just to point out the
> > clear "bad engineering"
>
> Except everyone knows that Joseph the blowhard Asswood,
> and you too, simply make unsupported, and laughably false,
> assertions, and expect idiots to believe you on the shear volume
> of your bluster.
>
>
> > and infer that it's an amateur job.
>
> Then pro's like you and Asswood could surely break the code
> in less than "an hour" and prove your heretofore unsupported
> assertions -- it's been over 250 hours and neither Asswood nor
> anyone else has cracked such a simplistic, inherently defective,
> and amateurish code.
>
> So, put up or shut up.
>
>
> >
> > Tom
>
>

I'm literally sitting over here laughing my ass off! The wait was definately
worth it. :)

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