Re: Safe to transmit (symmetric) key encrypted with itself?

From: clem (clem_at_numeral.com)
Date: 06/30/05 

Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:42:37 -0700

On 30 Jun 2005 04:20:58 -0700, tomstdenis@gmail.com wrote:

>clem wrote:
>> Anyway apparently it is OK for him to be insulted and dragged through
>> the mud in a public forum by "Guess Who?". No one else talks to
>> Daniel Bernstein that way. Only one person.
>
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>
>And if you care to notice my early attempts at discussion with him were
>all polite. Had he cared to discuss things rationally

He was being rational. But you decided he needed a tune-up.

> things would
>have gone smoother. My bad, for making things hostile which is why I
>largely ignore him now.

You ratcheted the situation to ugly. That's what you do.

>
>Clem, the reason my response to Bob was "hostile" was to show him what
>his replies look like when coming the other direction. You seemed to
>be under the impression that someone who did some good can do no harm.

No. I think that you are under that impression with LibTom, though.

Someone who did much good over many years and gave their life to it is
deserving of more rhythm. If he wants to say "wrong", then he gets to
do that.

You started the ugliness (the real ugliness) with Bob, Tom. Not the
other way around. If you would just appolgize and really mean it, and
then back up your words with actions then you would be living in
another dimension.

My thing about Bob Silverman is that he is a card carrying old school
crypto big dog, and because of his stature he deserves better.

Your postions are not equal. You are the underling and he is the
overling. You cannot accept that.

That is the heart of the matter. You refuse to recognize, and refuse
to pay your dues when it comes to protocol.

Your method flies in the face of established protocols of business and
relationships and respect for your betters in that context.

And Bob Silverman and Daniel Bernstein are in the most genuine sense
of the word your betters in that context.

You likely find it difficult to comprehend of anyone being better than
you, but in the context of human endeavor and relationship and
protocol in the study and the business of math/crypto that list is
huge.

And this next thing is just my opinion, but if you could get the past
the egocentric and disrespectful plateau you appear to be on, then
that list would be small. That would be a miracle, though.

>Bob doesn't really chime in here [in case you care to notice] unless
>it's to insult me or put down [or be outright dismissive] someone
>asking about anything RSA related.

So what? You set the tone for how Bob regards you. And eveyone else
seems to get a kick out of what Bob can do.

> He's not exactly beneficial to the
>group as a whole since any one of us could fill in for "use the GNFS"
>and "dumbass you're wrong!".

I disagree. You devalue his abilities unfairly, but unfortunately
that is typically what you do to Bob and Daniel and fill-in-the-blank.

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