Re: Legality of bugging mosques

From: David Eather (eather_at_tpg.com.au)
Date: 06/29/05 

Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:51:40 +1000
To: Joseph Ashwood <ashwood@msn.com>

Joseph Ashwood wrote:
> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:d9q9k4$chn$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>
>>On page 25 of the Economist June 18 2005 is says that most suicide bombers
>>in Iraq were male middle-class university students.
>>http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=4079136
>
>
> It's also the same profile to match the largest beer consumption, the
> largest group to join the military, the largest group to support a
> government, the largest group to question a government, the group with the
> most to lose, the group with the least to lose. In short it's just about
> saying "most suicide bombers are human." The timing probably has more to do
> with a crisis of personality

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No. It is not a crisis of personality. It has been already noted
that the majority of suicide bombers are from the educated middle
class. What happens is they have recently learn how to be analytical
and for the first time they also start to think about their role in
the world (the first time they have ever had to think about things
like employment, work and a long term future etc) and they see that
many of the things they believed aren't true - in particular they see
that life is not fair. This causes disillusionment with what is seen
as the establishment. With the correct "grooming" they can become
terrorists or suicide bombers.

Currently the approach has focused on destroying/suppressing the
anti-establishment - but this approach brings even more people into
contact with brutal side of governments. By itself it does not work.

It is not a crisis of personality but a crisis of conscience that
make someone become vulnerable to extremist philosophy.

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that is quite common around the age of majority
> (most often 18) where one's position in society changes drastically
> overnight leading many into a state of partial confusion. This age tends to
> catalyze individuals to do things they normally would not, whether it is
> heiresses allowing themself to be filmed, or flying planes into buildings
> doesn't make much difference.
>
>
>>This is the same profile as the 9/11 pilots.
>
>
> The big part you're missing is that these individuals had trained for
> several years, by general concensus at least 5 and by some theories up to 9
> placing the individuals involved substantially _below_ college aged. What
> you have to remember is that it was important to enter the country, and the
> US has extremely lax entry for college students, that is probably the
> strongest link you will find.
>
> In truth you will find numerous other characteristics that lead to a
> conclusion that these individuals probably had more to do with a
> Columbine-like mentality due to prior abuse then with the age theory. For
> example all of the hijackers were relatively short, consistently making for
> a situation where teasing is constant. You will also notice a sunstantial
> family tendancy towards obesity in several of them, something that outside
> the US is very frowned upon. You will find that the individuals come from
> fundamentalist familes (before you latch onto that keep in mind that George
> W Bush himself is a fundamentalist). You will also find that the majority of
> the hijackers came from a country that has very restrictive laws and a close
> association with the US (Saudi Arabia), something which works very fell to
> focus resentment for individuals in that situation. In short you will find
> enormous amounts of other information that indicates that the age is largely
> coincidental, and that the closeness in age probably represents more a
> comradery than a risk.
> Joe
>
>

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