Re: Sociological/Psychological Phenomenon

From: Juuso Hukkanen (juuso_12_2003_at_tele3d.net)
Date: 06/05/05 

Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:19:42 +0300

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:23:15 -0300, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
<spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

>>That said, I think Ghandi has made a proof-positive case that you
>>don't need to resort to violence to defeat an agressor.
>
>The Devil is in the Details. Ghandi showed that you don't need to
>resort to violence in order to defeat an aggressor with certain moral
>values; the tactics that he employed against 20th century England
>would not have worked against a more ruthless country.

I wouldn't be that sure about the kind nature of the English
colonialists.

<snip>
The British, struggling to suppress nationalist movements in their
vast empire, soon got in on the act. From 1915 onwards, the Royal Air
Force bombed Pathan villages on India’s North-West Frontier. In May
1919 they attacked the cities of Afghanistan, dropping six tons of
bombs on Jalalabad and inflicting 600 casualties in a dawn to dusk
raid on Dacca. Then, on Empire Day, they hit Kabul with history’s
first four-engine bomber raid. The British Government even offered
poison gas bombs to their Indian Viceroy. Fortunately, he declined the
offer.
</snip>

http://www.brushtail.com.au/july_04_on/bombing_arabs_history.html

Whole page very good reading. And it gives tunpleasant perspectives to
Saddan Husseins mass murders in Kurdistan in 1980's. After all the
British air forces were the first ones to kill civilians with
poisoneous gas in Iraq - some 50-60 years earlier, but anyway.

I think the british were maximally dangerous to anyone anyway even
passively Remembering that their prime minister (good ole' Winston
Churchill) had expressed following opinions(1919):

<snip>
I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have
definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in
favor of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is
sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a
bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of
lachrymatory gas.

I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilized
tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life
should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the
most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience
and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious
permanent effects on most of those affected.
</snip>
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHU407A.html

The sheer fact that some hundred thousand British colonialists were
able to maintain control over about a quarer of worlds population
indicated...
a) superiour / super-human intelligence of British colonialists
b) that the rule was based on tyranny - by always being prepared to
use the required + amount of cruelty to suppress any resistance.

I believe the later. With "required amount of cruelty" I mean jailing
or murdering anyone who was involved with forming of an opposition.
Due to Gandhis African adventures he probably was just enough popular
to not be killed, too trusted to be forgotten as a tool for peaceful
dialogs and too soft to be permanently jailed.

Surprice surprice the times have changed and now the bad guys are the
yankees. What would Gandhi think ... perhaps something like ...

When in despair I remember that all through history the way of truth
and love has always won; there have been tyrants and murderers, and
for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall.
(Mohandas K. Gandhi)

Juuso Hukkanen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhi
http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/index.cfm

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