Re: SF: Generalized SFT's

From: Tim Peters (tim.one_at_comcast.net)
Date: 04/24/05

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    [JSH]
    >> Abstracted Surrogate Factoring Theorem:
    >>
    >> Given non-zero integer A and B, let
    >>
    >> f_1 f_2 = A^2 (A^2 - B^2)
    >>
    >> then
    >>
    >> f_1 = (-(z - 2A^2)+ sqrt((z - 2A^2)^2 - 4A^2(A^2 - B^2)))/2
    >>
    >> and
    >>
    >> f_2 = (-(z - 2A^2) - sqrt((z - 2A^2)^2 - 4A^2(A^2 - B^2)))/2

    [Tim Smith]
    > Let K = z-2A^2,
    > L = A^2(A^2-B^2)
    >
    > Then what you are saying is:
    >
    > f_1 f_2 = L
    > f_1 = -K + sqrt(K^2-4L)/2
    > f_2 = -K - sqrt(K^2-4L)/2

    Sorry, nope, you misread the scope to which "/2" applies; i.e.,

        (-(z - 2A^2)+ sqrt((z - 2A^2)^2 - 4A^2(A^2 - B^2)))/2
          ^--------^ ^--------^ ^---------^
                          ^------------------------------^
        ^-------------------------------------------------^

    > However, multiplying f_1 by f_2 gives:
    >
    > f_1 f_2 = K^2 - (K^2-4L)/4 = 3K^2/4 + L
    >
    > This is only equal to L when K = 0.

    Given the mireading, yes. Given what James actually wrote, and using your
    substitutions:

         [so sue me for dropping the clumsy underscores]
         f1 = (-K + sqrt(K^2-4L))/2
         f2 = (-K - sqrt(K^2-4L))/2

    Then multiplying f1 by f2 gives (K^2-(K^2-4L))/4 = 4L/4 = L, as claimed.

    > Thus, you have produced the following factorization of L:
    >
    > L = sqrt(-L) * sqrt(-L).
    >
    > We are not impressed.

    That I don't dispute <wink>.


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