# Re: JSH: Surrogate Factoring Fails Completely, What Next?

**From:** David Eather (*eather_at_tpg.com.au*)

**Date:** 04/21/05

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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:30:57 +1000

jstevh@msn.com wrote:

*> Proginoskes wrote:
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*>> jstevh@msn.com wrote:
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*>>> Proginoskes wrote:
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*>>>> jst...@msn.com wrote:
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*>>>>> [...]
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*>>>>> The SFT as a theorem is unique in terms of that
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*>>>>> approach to the factoring problem, showing that
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*>>>>> you can use rationals.
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*>>>>>
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*>>>>> I've stepped outside of the box.
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*>>>>
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*>>>> And off the cliff.
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*>>>>
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*>>>
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*>>> More social crap, which I've seen his highly
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*>>> effective in convincing people of things that are
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*>>> not true.
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*>>
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*>> You use it on me, so I use it on you.
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*>>
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*>>>> You don't believe in moderation, do you? It always
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*>>>> has to be one extreme or another.
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*>>>>
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*>>>>> Now, let's consider your claim as the SFT maps
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*>>>>> factors, and if it is not practical, then it maps
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*>>>>> factors in a biased way.
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*>>>>>
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*>>>>> But assume then that there is another theorem
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*>>>>> that does not.
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*>>>>
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*>>>> Find it. And show that there IS a way to get
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*>>>> NON-TRIVIAL factors. Then
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*>>>> people will listen to you for once.
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*>>>>
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*>>>
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*>>> The SFT maps hyperbolas to each other.
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*>>
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*>> Duh.
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*>>
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*>>> Now if you graph a hyperbola, it turns out that what
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*>>> can be considered trivial and non-trivial factors
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*>>> occur with rational solutions equally.
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*>>>
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*>>> There is no preference shown, and why should there be?
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*>>>
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*>>> This issue of triviality is a human issue driven by
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*>>> economic and social issues.
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*>>
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*>> Mathematics DOES care about "preferences".
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*>>
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*>> For instance, when is the remainder of (n-1)! when divided by n equal
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*>> to n-1?
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*>>
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*>> (Answer below.*)
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*>>
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*>>> The mathematics has no reason and no capacity to hide non-trivial
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*>>> factors so that RSA can be secure.
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*>>
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*>> Once again you've got it backwards. RSA is only used BECAUSE
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*>> factoring is difficult. They didn't pick a scheme and then put out a
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*>> bunch of propaganda that factoring is actually difficult.
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*>>
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*>> And once again, you're just talking. If factoring was easy, and SF
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*>> could be used to factor, ANYONE can factor the RSA numbers, break
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*>> into accounts, etc.
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*>>
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*>> Do you really think that there's a world-wide conspiracy covering up
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*>> all of these break-ins? No. But if factoring is easy, you'd have to
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*>> accept the conspiracy, because there's no news about it.
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*>>
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*>> --- Christopher Heckman
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*>>
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*> The SFT points you in the right direction, but you still might have to
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*> work things out to make it practical.
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*>
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*> My analogy is to the atomic bomb.
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*>
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*> There was the theory that indicated it was possible, but a research
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*> effort was still needed to build a working atom bomb.
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*> In reply I get people telling me to factor an RSA number.
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An RSA number??? - *YOU CAN'T SHOW YOUR WORKING STEPS TO FACTOR 15!!!*

You're an ignoramus, surrounded by a delusion, wrap in an abusive

personality.

If you won't stop posting please at least start your threads with JSH so we

can plonk them

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*>
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*> That isn't a rational response.
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*>
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*> A rational response might be asking me why I'm so certain the theory
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*> is important, and exactly why do I think it could lead to practical
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*> factoring.
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*>
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*> That would put me in the position of laying out details about my
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*> assertions and having to prove them, and then they could each be
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*> critiqued, and shown to be correct or faulty.
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*>
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*> Instead, posters make a lot of replies, often derisive, where they
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*> make their own claims, often false ones, like usually just claiming
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*> to have refuted my claims, often without really referring back to
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*> what I actually say.
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*>
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*> Then it's a degenerate conversation--not really a conversation--but
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*> people talking at the subject.
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*>
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*> That strategy works with "pure math" as I learned as I watched my
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*> research on non-polynomial factorization get trashed and watched as
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*> the lies flew about my prime counting function, and it didn't matter
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*> what I could actually prove to people who had social positions and
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*> the will to post and post and post and just lie continually about
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*> even basic mathematics.
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*>
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*> Here, it's about time. Given time I fear that more evidence than you
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*> would ever want will crop up that someone did the math, broke the
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*> factoring problem, and then went on to exploit that solution.
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*>
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*> And, quite a few people who would like to crack the factoring problem,
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*> wouldn't give a damn about the RSA prizes, as they'd have either the
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*> potential to make much more money illicitly, or they'd be, well,
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*> people who have other aims in mind.
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*>
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*> The world needs to deal with the math before it's forced upon it.
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*>
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*> I say yesterday would have been good, but since I'm still having to
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*> talk this out on Usenet, today would be a good start.
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*>
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*>
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*> James Harris
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