Re: SF: World politics and mathematicians

From: Matt Gutting (tchrmatt_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 04/20/05 

Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:42:30 -0400

jstevh@msn.com wrote:
> So, I can explain that the SFT maps hyperbolas, so it's not
> complicated, as a I mentioned, and yes, the indication is that there
> should be a way to get a factoring algorithm with a very high rate of
> factorization from the start the SFT gives you.
>
> And yes I'm still hedging as it's a major issue, but the important
> point here is that posters are lying about the result--in very stupid
> ways--while the world is basically, to my knowledge, ignoring it.
>
> What gives?
>
> Well, wake up, but the world is not a rational place.
>
> Policymakers haven't impressed you before with their intelligence, have
> they?
>
> The reality is that a key theorem that for some basic mathematical
> reasons should lead to practical algorithms breaking the current
> Internet security can sit out indefinitely with all the evidence
> visible, and policymakers not know about it, not do anything, and the
> world keeps turning.
>
> There is no super secret special organization out there tasked with
> saving the world to leap in and save the day.
>
> Super heroes are in comic books.
>
> Before I posted on Usenet I contacted the NSA--more than once.
>
> I tried to contact other secret service organizations and couldn't even
> get an email address.
>
> That's the real world.
>
> But scarier in a way are the posters who keep replying to me, some of
> them trying to convince you of some rather bad mathematical ideas.
>
> And they are still at it last I checked.
>
> How is that possible? How can there be other human beings who sit down
> at a keyboard, and type up posts meant to mislead and confuse you, who
> operate freely on Usenet?
>
> Wake up to the real world.
>
> There are people who will lie to you. Mislead you. And they will
> teach you false information for whatever purposes motivate those
> people.
>
> The SFT isn't that complicated in a lot of ways as it's a fundamental
> result in number theory, which shows how you connect hyperbolas.
>
> Mathematically, it's a hyperbola connector.
>
> In the social world, it's a factoring theorem.
>
> The concept of surrogate factoring just comes down to connecting two
> hyperbolas, which I didn't realize myself until recently.
>
> Now then, will nothing happen with this result?
>
> Well, something probably will happen, and then the world will react.
>
> It won't do anything ahead of time. No super cop to save the day. And
> sadly, no James Bond to force the right thing to happen.
>
> Nope. More likely, given what I'm seeing, some disaster will have to
> happen, and then the Usenet posters who argue with me will slink off,
> to try and hide, and a lot of hand wringing will go on and people will
> ask, how could this happen?
>
> That's the real world, our world. And it's not a comic book.
>
> See the SFT yourself and see that it connect hyperbolas:
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Surrogate-Factoring
>
> under "Factoring Theorem".
>
> If you believe in mathematics, then you know I'm correct. If you
> doubt, then you don't believe in mathematics so you'll wait.
>

By this statement, you have in effect defined "believing in mathematics"
as "agreeing that James Harris is correct in his statements about surrogate
factoring". How does this relate to any recognized definition of "believing
in mathematics"? Is there any other way to define this phrase?

> And notice, I'm looking for some help from policymakers. It just turns
> out that factoring wasn't as hard as "mathematicians" claimed it was,
> so now we're stuck.
>
>
> James Harris
>

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  • SF: World politics and mathematicians
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  • Factoring problem and the SFT
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  • Re: World politics and mathematicians
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  • James Harris still at it
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