Re: Importance of Failure
From: symbia (nospam_at_nospam.com)
Date: 02/23/05
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:11:26 -0600
<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
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> One type of post I've noticed come up every once in a while is a post
> where some person is informing me that if I don't have everything
> figured out, I shouldn't post.
True.
>
> Another of the same variety, informs me that I should have every detail
> worked out formally before I dare to put something out in public.
Sloppy work, no one needs.
> However, in real research failure is part of work, and public failure
> is not as important as wasting time with flawed ideas.
Wrong, you lose, or have lost all credibility.
> I still like the sports analogy of baseball, and I think a LOT of
> people in intellectual circles just don't get how important lessons are
> in sports, like how even the best players mostly fail--and VERY
> PUBLICLY FAIL.
This is not baseball, if you can't get to base you are out.
Just accept your failure and learn from your mistakes, and move on.
> Many of you could not handle it. You'd pee in your pants at the very
> thought of being in front of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even
> millions of people to try something where you knew going in that more
> than likely you would fail--though I doubt ballplayers actually think
> of that going in--as you believe that the way the world works is that
> the top people, the best people, make it their business to never
> publicly fail.
perhaps you pee in your pants, but focus on your work. Sometimes it does not
work out, and you have to try something new. Move on.
> That's just totally wrong.
That is your perception, unfortunatly.
> The top people, the best people, fail quite publicly, and in quite
> grand ways, over and over again, but other people in considering the
> fantasy of being at the top of their game, believe that the reality is
> perfection, or near perfection, where failure is avoided at all costs.
a generalization.
>
> The best way for a ballplayer to avoid failure at all costs is to quit
> the game.
No Risk, No Gain. and this aint baseball.
> Some in looking at my many failures over the years have gone on to give
> me more advice, like I should just quit.
Join a better group and learn. Also quit complaining it is a time waister.
> Yet that was years ago. I think telling me to quit is a silly way to
> publicly fail, especially when I can talk about my accomplishments
> since the first people told me, ordered me, to quit.
> For over five years I toiled without a major result, and now I have
> four.
Try something else, dude. Surfing!
> These results have a real world impact, though many try to deny them,
> and that impact grows with each passing day.
no.
>
> Now the people who are looking at public failure are the people who
> spend so much time trying to control me and what I do.
you are controled by your lack of perception of your failure. Many have
failed, and tried again, and moved on.
<snip repeated whining by self degrading, FT the Failed Troll>.
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