Re: LibTomCrypt [v0.96 bug fix]

From: Tom St Denis (tomstdenis_at_iahu.ca)
Date: 06/09/04 

Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:25:53 GMT

Bartosz Zoltak wrote:
> Tom St Denis wrote:
>
>
>>My problem with you is that you're not interested in being told your
>>wrong.
>
>
> This is only your imagination, because I dont listen to YOU, Tom St
> Denis, who failed to produce ANY valuable on-merit comment on VMPC.
> Initially you even failed to understand how the function works. You
> ranted without any actual sense so it's no surprise I could not follow
> your "advicce". Face the facts, Tom.

Um whatever. Being told "this idea is a flop" can be "on merit"
[whatever that means].

Though I don't recall ever telling you "don't work on VMPC". I've
strictly maintained "don't present it here unless you can back it up".
I think that's not "lowering the bar" [as you put it] quite the opposite
I'm trying to keep the bar higher.

> On the other hand if I reveive any on-merit comments, I do grab them
> with all my heart and spend time wondering if I can improve on them.
> Thanks to David Wagner's comments on the paper-sketch on the
> conditional proof of security, I could improve the formal side of the
> language of provable security into what it is today in the paper "One
> way INC-CNA key setup...". I don't claim it's a brilliant paper, but
> thanks to the advices I heard here (not from you TSD), I could make it
> *better*. If I receive any more comments, I will be very happy to
> apply them.

If you're specifically going to ignore anything I say just because it's
me who is saying it then just killfile my identity and be done with. No
sense bickering here back and force acting like little kids.

> This is what I call following critique and learning from it.

What learning from it? You have yet to stop, think about what you are
doing and present theory that actually follows some logical footsteps.
You're too eager to "make it big".

> In the meantime let's look at your critique:
>
>
>> When I reply to
>>your rekeying paper [which you asked me to comment on TWICE via
>
> private
>
>>email] with what others called a good suggestion for a research
>
> topic
>
>>you ignored that too.
>
>
> Oh yeah :-) You asked for it: The quote from that private email (from
> TSD to BZ) with "Tom's good advice" :-)
>
> -------------
> "You haven't demonstrated in public that you are even worthy of my
> time or
> attention.
>
> You routinely ignore peoples advice, are always too impatient
> "to do things right" and are not advancing any science I know of."
>
> I'd appreciate it if you refrained from any further emailings."
> -------------
>
> That's Tom's good advice. How could I have been so ignorant as not to
> grab it with all my heart and follow it?? :-)

Wow, it's almost as if my private email to you is EXACTLY what I'm
saying here to you now.

Specifically in this thread I'm talking about my usenet reply about the
paper.

>>I speak as someone who started a hobby [writing code], turned it
>
> into a
>
>>productive use of time [LT projects] and in turn have helped
>
> hundreds of
>
>>people as a result [I can show you the download logs if you want,
>
> you'll
>
>>see dozens of private companies and several large public ones that
>>download the code with each update]. I mean just recently I found
>
> out
>
>>that Broadcom uses LTC in their embedded linux kernels [from a
>
> friend at
>
>>Erricson who uses LTC for their kernel digsig project].
>
>
> And congratulations! Honestly. Good for you and I wish you the best of
> luck in promoting your library! This is YOUR business, your approach
> and it's good when it works out good for you!
>
> But please understand and respect that not everybody likes writing
> libraries, I don't, and others realise their passions in other ways.
> This it THEIR business, you should not interfere with it (this is NOT
> YOUR business) and RESPECT it.

The library was just a tool for the message. The point was that people
USE my library because I listen to what they have to say. I mean aside
from the odd donation here and there [~1400$ over 3 years] I do it 100%
for free.

So when I get emails from PeerSec or BitMover or etc... from people who
are making a living [while I live at home with my parents....] using my
software and I still follow through with the requests that not only
shows that I'm willing to support the work but I have some character.

That's why I think I'm qualified to lend some advice. I mean from what
I gather here you're just another young person trying to do a project
and maybe get some ego brownies [cuz let's be honest we all want some
ego boosters once in a while].

So I have no problem with you working on VMPC. I have no problem with
you discussing your work in progress. I *do* have a problem with you
forming conclusions based on incomplete research and then toting it as
gospel.

Anyways it seems this thread is turning more friendlier by the minute ;-)

Honestly I do hope you can make something out of VMPC [or any other
future projects]. You have to keep in mind that the sort of attention
you want to get will happen on its own. You'll get your 15 minutes and
then be another member in the crowd.

Tom

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