Re: Order question

From: Gregory G Rose (ggr_at_qualcomm.com)
Date: 04/30/04


Date: 29 Apr 2004 15:15:38 -0700

In article <BCB7344B.4C93F%zenadsl6186@zen.co.uk>,
Peter Fairbrother <zenadsl6186@zen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Take 11 = 2*5+1 as an example. 1,3,4,5,and 9 are quadratic residues, and
>>> 2,6,7,8 and 10 are non-residues. Both groups have five members.
>>
>> No, {2,6,7,8,10} is not a group, and hence not a
>> subgroup. It has no identity and is not closed.
>
>Thanks. That was the answer I wanted.
>
>Next question. Can you simply show that the subgroup of order q is the same
>group as the group of QR's? I've done this before, but I lost it.

Back to first principals. CAIN: Closure,
Associativity, Identity, iNverse.
Let X = x^2, Y=y^2.

Closure: X*Y = x*x*y*y = x*y*x*y = (x*y)^2

Associativity flows from the parent group.

Identity: 1*1=1, therefore 1 is a QR.

Inverse: if x*y=1, then x^2*y^2 = 1, so X*Y=1, so
every QR X has an inverse Y.

Conclusion: The QRs form a (sub)group.

Now note that x^2 and (-x)^2 both are X;
therefore there are half as many QRs as there are
x's. (I think this step requires the distributive
law, so it works on integers mod P (which form a
field), but not necessarily other groups.)

There is a unique subgroup of order (p-1)/2,
so it must be the QR's. QED.

(I'm very out of practice with this stuff, so I'm
not certain this is a valid proof, but...)

Greg.

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