Re: What math class to take to catch up on Modulus and DLP?

From: Douglas A. Gwyn (DAGwyn_at_null.net)
Date: 09/08/03 

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:22:35 -0400

Tom St Denis wrote:
> Normally flame wars arise from a breakdown in communication. When for
> instance Douglas Gwyn and I were debating the "extra rounds" position in
> cipher design he failed to cite any references to back up his point. He
> simply posted "you're wrong I'm right. neeter neeter neeter!". Which
> resulted in a flame war.

That wasn't a breakdown in communication, and in fact you have
mischaracterized the "debate". The onus of proof was not on
me, because I wasn't the one making unsubstantiated claims.
You were claiming that a design having just enough rounds to be
secure against all known methods of attack was not as good as
one with additional rounds. I simply challenged that as being
not supported by any known sound line of reasoning. If any
"references" should be cited, they should therefore be
references that substantiate that claim. I suspect they don't
exist, since it seems possible to devise a counterexample
where an excessive number of rounds is demonstrably weaker.

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