Re: Hey - Livermore knows how to crack 3DES!

From: Anon E. Maus (anon_at_maus.duh)
Date: 06/26/03 

Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:45:31 GMT

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bdd70g$rs$2@reader1.panix.com...
> Anon E. Maus <anon@maus.duh> wrote:
> >"Danilo Gligoroski" <gligoroski@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:fd6035bb.0306231139.66c4d944@posting.google.com...
> >> Gxwxj02 <gxwxjxxx02@doc.ic.ac.uk> wrote in message
> >news:<bd6sqi$mp0$1@harrier.doc.ic.ac.uk>...
> >> > Reading the list, I assume that the computers used by the likes of
the
> >> > NSA, GCHQ etc are not listed, yes?
> >> >
> >> > If they were, where would they impact on this list do you reckon?
> >> > Obviously this is difficult to say, but does anyone have any
> >> > educated guesses?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Indeed, today, the newest Top500 list is issued on
> >> > > http://www.top500.org.
> >> > > I will quote a part of their analysis:
> >> > > "Total accumulated performance is 375 TFlop/s, compared to 293
TFlop/s
> >> > > six month ago. "
> >> >
> >> > > So, if we consider that abovementioned "accumulated performance" as
a
> >> > > "Events horizont" in computing power, and if we have in mind that
> >> > > distributed.net's with approximately 19 GFlop/s computing power
broke
> >> > > 64-bit rc5 in 1757 days,
> >> > > it follows that brote force breaking of 64-bit codes in 5 minutes
is
> >> > > now somewhere in the "horizont of events".
> >>
> >>
> >> Of coarse, secret computing power primirily of USA, but also of
> >> Russia, UK, France, Germany, China, and Japan are not listed in
> >> Top500. And, same as you, I don't know anything about those secret
> >> computing powers, but, as I recall what I read maybe on this usenet
> >> group, or somewhere else, (or maybe this is an un-educated guess) it
> >> is a beleif that the power of secret computing facilities doesn't
> >> exceeds 2^16 times of the fastest publicly known facilities. That
> >> means that, maybe NSA and other institutions like it or the
> >> institutions who work for them like Livermore labs, are capable to
> >> brute force 2^80 in 5 minutes, or 2^96 in one year, which again
> >> returns us at the begining of this tread started by Mr. Anonymous
> >> alias Anon E. Maus.
> >> :-) :-) :-)
> >>
> >> Danilo Gligoroski
>
> >...and the apparent gist of this thread so far is... "Maybe, Maybe Not".
> >And with the added point that AES has apparently been judged weaker than
> >everyone has thought, then we are in more danger than we have been lead
to
> >believe.
>
> >That's comforting...
> >- "Mr. Anonymaus"
>
> Well, someone who knows a mathematician at a major university
> told me that he's heard that they can factor large numbers in
> linear time.
>
> ---- Paul J. Gans
>
Circular reasoning... like I have said - Bovine Scatology. If Livermore can
break it, show us the proof I say.

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