Re: More one NASA management

From: JohnTromaville (johntromaville@aol.com)
Date: 02/06/03 

From: johntromaville@aol.com (JohnTromaville)
Date: 06 Feb 2003 20:55:53 GMT

My comments are interleaved:

>
> I didn't say it was a cake walk. I stated if there life was in
>danger it was a possibility. A possiblity they never got the
>chance to condsider.

but there was also the possibility (probability?) that there was nothing wrong
and doing a space walk under those conditions could have made a tragedy out of
something that would have been fine -- hindsight is 20 -20.

>
> I never stated they could go to the Space Station. They were never
>in the correct orbit for that. However that being said. It does
>show another lack of foresight on the failure of current NASA managers.
>They didn't plan for any contengencies. If it was in the same orbit
>they could go there maybe. But then again they didn't except problems so
>why make things easyer to fix when problems occur. Lack of fore sight
>is not a plus in my humble opiniun.
>

I know you never said that - that wasn't aimed at you. its a thign I've been
hearing and had to correct people on - was aimed generally not at you. BTW you
can't stick everything in space in the same orbit as the ISS!!!

> You don't have the foggest idea what I have seen. And Secondly
>do you even realize how far a way a sattlelits in Geosynch orbit
>is compared to the shuttle which is magnitudes of distance closer.

yes I do realise the distance of geo-synchronous orbit - but the fact remains
that its position is "stable" when viewed from the ground as opposed to a fly
past by a body at lower orbit. the problem is in tracking the bugger with a
telescope good enough to get decent definition. as far as I am away there is
nothing with the ability to do that.

>
> You right the one minute of effort to roll the craft may not
>be worth it. Are you kidding thats dam easy. The cost of having
>the military to do is tival to the cost it cost us not to do it.
>Hell people running tracking equipment often track other things
>just to keep from being bored so I don't buy that excuse.
>

rolling the craft could bring more problems for the crew --- i.e the sun..
As for the military cost i wasn't on about purely financial the US needs all
its spies at the minute keeping track of N Korea and Iraq... What if the
satlelite missed say a Iraq preparation for an attack on US -- then you might
have hundreds or thousands of dead.. besides I'm not sure it would be
technically feasible (that was just an idea I had)

> Yeah if management sits on its ass and hopes for the best
>there are few options.

Agreed. NASA management has for years been incompetant (if you want proof just
look how they lost their heads when Progress crashed into Mir- what was needed
was clear thinking and they just panicked and thought about their image while
the russians saved the station).

what is needed now is a thorough investigation and I totally agree that there
should be no whitewash... make criminal prosecutions for negligence if any are
required but sackign everyone is not the way forward .. need to weed out the
bad ones and put us engineers in charge a bit more.

What i do disagree with if people coming up with simplistic solutions to what
happened.

BTW heres a thought... if the shuttle is to be scrapped why not launch the
remaining 3 into orbit (suitibly refited) and use them as general workabouts
for orbit?

Trom

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