Re: SP2 drove me to open source
From: velozoom30 (velozoom30_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 03/18/05
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:31:06 -0800
> Because it's fun to play with trolls sometimes.
I couldn't agree more.
> If you were as seasoned as you claimed, you would have created QA systems,
> images of the production systems, to test SP2 on. You might have also
> checked with the application vendors to determine if their applications
> were SP2 compatible.
I never used the word "seasoned" nor did I imply it. What experience I
have, I have. What I don't have, I don't. I think it's pretty immaterial
to an internet chat board because anything I say is non-verifiable anyway.
I've run in to too many liars and fakes on the WWW to even consider worrying
about it anymore.
As for testing, you are absolutely right. In hindsight, I absolutely should
have run through a full series of tests and dry runs. Most of my vendors
*assumed* (this I found out later) their products would work with SP2. I was
busy and ran some simple tests and it all seemed to work. I mean, this is a
MS service pack, right? We can install it and look at it later because there
are usually so few problems with MS updates. Hey, we learn from our mistakes
and that is what I am still in the process of doing.
>
> I got news for you, even using OO and others, there are few open source
> products that come close to those offered by MS, and I've run them all,
> and I still find myself using MS based products most of the time. If there
> was no need to run Office on Linux CrossOver would not have been created
> (and it's a commercial application).
I am aware of the limitations. My graphics people all run Macs anyway. My
sales,newsroom, photogs, editors, producers, dept heads, etc all need basic
systems that can be Windows, Mac, or open source and is all up to personal
preference and availability. The only real "need" I have for Windows boxes
are my video servers such as Chyron and a couple other proprietary systems
that won't run on O-S stuff.
>
> I run an IT company and have designed solutions on every platform, none is
> better than any other, and there are always people taking shortcuts with
> every platform. No one I know uses FP, and ASP/ASP.Net are still very nice
> products. Sure, there are people on both sides that will "hate" one
> platform, but serious developers don't have a problem working with any
> platform, it's just a tool. You can easily develop non-proprietary sites
> with MS Products and solutions, at least any quality developer can. We
> have more than 120 web developers, about 10 are platform zealots, the rest
> work without concern on any platform.
BUT- to run .asp you need MS products. You can run AMP on anything,
including a windows server. It's a personal philosophy that drives my
zealotry on that one.
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