Re: SP2 drove me to open source
From: Leythos (void_at_nowhere.lan)
Date: 03/18/05
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:00:33 GMT
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:55:02 -0800, velozoom30 wrote:
> "Leythos" wrote:
>>
>> If you really had any experience with Windows XP and any other computer
>> technology, and you weren't just a troll, you would have had no problems
>> with SP2. I've got almost 1000 installs of SP2 on many platforms and have
>> only had two problems, and both were fixed by BIOS Updates from the PC's
>> vendor.
>
> Question- if you thought I was a troll, why did you bite the baited hook,
> Mr. Fish?
Because it's fun to play with trolls sometimes.
> Obviously, you presume to know my experience when it is you, sirrah, who
You related as much of your experience in as much detail as you felt we
needed to understand your situation, and if you left out details like what
applications, well, that was your choice. Since all you did was rant,
without details, your posting looked like a typical SP2 Trolling.
> hasn't a clue. Have you ever installed SP2 on a WinXP box running
> Chyron Lyric software? If you want to see a program crash faster than a
> tractor trailer driven by a chimpanzee just give it a go. Do you have
> any experience running the IT operations of a television station and
> production studio? If you do, let us know, but I will not presume to
> make judgements on your experience when I have no idea who you even are.
> I laugh at trash-talking internet peeps with e-balls.
I've designed multimedia facilities, including the networks, security,
software, systems and operating systems used in those locations. I've not
used the Chyron software at any location. The problem was that your post
didn't include the details that you have posted in your reply here - so
you made yourself look like the typical ranting tolling poster.
> My expereince with SP2 is good enough to know that it DOES NOT work with
> a great deal of the software that my users run. ENPS (from AP news) is
> our new wire-service platform and SP2 has to be disabled as much as the
> babysitters at MS will allow for it to run properly.
And just what are you disabling "as much as possible" to make SP2 work
with your application? Maybe you might want to post your solution so that
others could benefit from your experience?
> Our prompter
> software crashed completely after SP2 and the box had to be entirely
> rebuilt since even a full uninstall of SP2 didn't fix all the problems
> it caused. My mistake was testing SP2 on non-mission critical boxes
> that just had to run basic software before implementing it station-wide.
If you were as seasoned as you claimed, you would have created QA systems,
images of the production systems, to test SP2 on. You might have also
checked with the application vendors to determine if their applications
were SP2 compatible.
> What a nightmare week that was. Sure, it works fine on boxes you don't
> do more than e-mail, word processing, and chatting on. It's friggin
> awesome then, Mr. Fish, and it's still on some of the sales dept's
> computers. But in MY business world, it sucks donkey schlong.
I have it running on Process Control systems running MHI software, logging
systems for firewalls, development systems, desktop database systems,
multimedia editing systems, training systems, laptops with database and
web server software, kids machines, and hundreds of office workers
basic machines (Office, Visio, FireFox, etc..). It's been painless
on all of those types of systems, not to mention the Dual CPU workstations
and the Hyper-threaded systems.
> Did I ever say that Linux was perfect and without holes? Hells no.
> Nothing is perfect. It's the overall viewpoint of the software makers
> that I am looking at. MS is all about expanding its worldwide software
> hegemony whereas open source is about improvement for improvement's
> sake. Can I get an amen?
I got news for you, even using OO and others, there are few open source
products that come close to those offered by MS, and I've run them all,
and I still find myself using MS based products most of the time. If there
was no need to run Office on Linux CrossOver would not have been created
(and it's a commercial application).
> Psychophants that follow after Billy waiting for a few meager scraps
> from his table strike me as the most spineless of all IT people.
>
> If you ever get into web devlopment you will perhaps then see the issues
> of MS v. The World more clearly. Ask any real developer about the crap
> that is Frontpage or .asp. I know some guys who are forced to use .asp
> and IIS but that is only because the short sighted suit-wearers in the
> big, corner offices make them use MS products. Had they a choice (this
> is pretty much a universal opinion among the many developers I know and
> work with) they would run LAMP (Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP) boxes for ALL of
> their web projects and leave the proprietary MS stuff in the
> shrink-wrapped box where it works best.
I run an IT company and have designed solutions on every platform, none is
better than any other, and there are always people taking shortcuts with
every platform. No one I know uses FP, and ASP/ASP.Net are still very nice
products. Sure, there are people on both sides that will "hate" one
platform, but serious developers don't have a problem working with any
platform, it's just a tool. You can easily develop non-proprietary sites
with MS Products and solutions, at least any quality developer can. We
have more than 120 web developers, about 10 are platform zealots, the rest
work without concern on any platform.
> Is this a troll, too? If you don't like what I am saying, I am sure you
> will say yes.
Nope, this time you posted with details, and some rants, but you are least
backed up your problems with SP2 with specifics, even if you didn't test
your apps before going into production.
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