Re: More of Massimo's phlogisticated uber-crunk.
From: Massimo (barone_at_mclink.it)
Date: 01/31/05
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:31:35 +0100
"tom" <cyberhun@shaw.ca> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> If you are unhappy with my response to your input, why don't you just
> ignore it? Does it mean THAT much to you? It would be better for you if
> you did because every time you come back, you do so with an even more
> ridiculous pile-of-nonsense than the previous one. Listen, can't you hear
> everyone laughing at you?
No, I can't. Because nobody is.
> Here's an example of what I mean;
> You say:
> ------------------------------
>> RUNAS is not a "method for running programs securely", although it can
>> sometimes be used to accomplish this. It's an utility to run programs
>> using a user account different from the one you're logged in as.
> ------------------------------
> This is a verbatim quote from the MS help file on the command Runas. This
> is the LEAD PARAGRAPH:
> ------------------------------
> When you run Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) using the Computer
> administrator account, your computer is more vulnerable to viruses and
> other security risks than when you use the Limited account. For example,
> if you are using the Computer administrator account when you visit a Web
> site that contains a virus, a Trojan horse might be installed on your
> computer where it could do things like reformat your hard drive, delete
> all your files, or create a new user account with administrative access.
> By contrast, if you are using the Limited account when you visit an
> Internet site that contains a virus, your computer is less likely to be
> infected by it.
> -------------------------------
That's completely true. I didn't negate you can use RUNAS to run programs in
a limited-user context. But RUNAS is a more general-purpose utility, which
purpose is, actually, to run programs as any user different from the one
you're logged in as.
> Clearly, the single most important reason, according to MS, for switching
> usr accts, is to run a given application (IE6, like in the MS example)
> MORE SECURELY.
That's not true. The main purpose of RUNAS is, as I stated, to temporarily
elevate your privileges when needed, because you should anyway be using a
non-administrator account for everyday use. And although many people
actually use administrator accounts to run their home systems, this is
particularly useful in a domain environment, where it's definitely dangerous
to use a domain admin account to, say, check your e-mail.
> As opposed to your assertion that "runas is not a method for running
> programs more securely".
That's not its main purpose, nor is RUNAS limited to doing that. But it can
be used for that purpose, although with some limitations where user-specific
data and settings are involved.
> Massimo, I'm sure you mean well, and you do have some knowledge of
> computers. Thankyou for your effort, but please find someone else to
> harangue with your phlogisticated uber-crunk.
You're free to think anything you like about RUNAS. But it won't help you
manage your bookmarks or your e-mail, because different user accounts are
involved when you use RUNAS, and IE and OE's settings and data are
user-specific.
That's it, plain and simple.
By the way, I've been using RUNAS since NT4. You're seeing it now for the
first time, and think it's a security feature of Windows XP SP2... it's a
lot older, and much more useful than you think. Here are some links on the
topic:
And here's something concerning your problem; as you can see, user profiles
*are* involved when using RUNAS:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;254094
Massimo
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