Re: xp security vulnerabilities?

From: John (John_at_somewhere.com)
Date: 02/22/04 

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:46:32 GMT

In article <e51iifK#DHA.3812@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, bofh@mvps.org
says...
> > Well, Steve Gibson doesn't need me to defend him so I won't. I think
> > his point about the raw sockets issue was that it gave the bad guys
> > the capability to launch *untraceable* attacks on the web. That
> > seems to be true don't you think?
>
> No. Show me how raw sockets are involved in this.
> Explain to me why the internet didn't blow up before XP was even invented,
> because *news flash* every flavour of unix I can think of all had raw
> sockets support.

Maybe because none of the virus launching low lifes can afford the
mainframe or sparcstation that Unix requires? How about Linux, does it
offer raw sockets support?

>
> > I haven't heard any reports about
> > any of these guys being located and arrested anyway. Without arrests
> > and penalties you have chaos, no?
>
> Which "these guys" are you talking about? People are getting arrested for
> lawbreaking involving the internet all the time.

I don't know who they are. That's the whole problem. Neither does
anyone else. I don't read *all* the news everyday, but I pay attention.
I haven't heard about anyone getting arrested for launching one of these
very destructive viruses for quite a while. I'm not talking about
running investment scams etc over the net, only about launching
destructive viruses on the net.

>
> > As far as whether the web has "blown up" or not - lots of people would
> > argue that it is in the process of happening now. You shouldn't need
> > a properly configured firewall, up to date virus definitions and a
> > direct line to windowsupdate.com to be able access the web *for a few
> > minutes* without getting your system destroyed.
>
> Well thats good - because I personally can surf the internet for as long as
> I like without any of those things.

Good for you.
 

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