Re: Comments about this forum

From: Randall Arnold (rarnold_at_kmalp.com)
Date: 08/21/03 

Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:31:18 -0500

Sergio, now you are missing Mike's point.

Software MUST move with the license. Period. It's just that simple. The
two are interdependent.

The converse of that is what can actually constitute piracy, depending on
what the seller does with the original media and how many systems he has
resold that may have used a single media master.

Randall Arnold

"Sergio Saenz" <saenzr@sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> O.k. very nice.
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> So you want us to delete the software we receive
> installed... and go buy a new one from you probably more
> expensive than the entire used computer we bought.
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> How many used computers are there, how are you going to
> regulate it? Are you serious?
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> Instead you should have mechanisms of regularization.
> Occam's Razor.
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >"Sergio" <saenzr@sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> >news:0bed01c367ee$45d57400$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> >> Many solutions offered in this forum exclude a lot of
> >> people. A segment of these people appears not to have
> the
> >> disks, I include myself.
> >>
> >> Many of us buy used computers because we cannot afford a
> >> new one or we can get a much cheaper pc in the open
> market
> >> (in my case from student to student) than from a direct
> PC
> >> dealer.
> >>
> >> Many of the used PCs are sold without the discs,
> although
> >> some vendors may give you the licences to the software
> >> installed. I have my licenses but not the disks.
> >>
> >> The license should entitle us to be offered solutions
> for
> >> those of us who do not have the disks.
> >
> >Sergio,
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> >If you buy a used PC then firstly check if it came with
> Windows XP installed
> >when it was new (supplied to the original owner from new
> with Windows XP) -
> >this would be an OEM version. If this is the case then
> the OEM will have
> >either supplied a recovery method (either a CD or a
> hidden partition on the
> >hard disk) that can be used to restore the machine to as
> shipped from the
> >factory; or an OEM CD ROM or Windows XP.
> >If the machine had Windows XP installed at some time in
> the past before you
> >bought it, then unless the person selling it to you
> included the CD then you
> >are not licensed to use Windows XP on that machine. This
> is because the
> >conditions required to transfer a license from one owner
> to the other
> >include the transfer of all paperwork and the physical
> media
> >From the EULA
> >13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. ... Transfer to Third Party. The
> > initial user of the Software may make a one-time
> > permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to another
> > end user, provided the initial user retains no copies
> of
> > the Software. This transfer must include all of the
> > Software (including all component parts, the media and
> > printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if
> > applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity).
> >
> >It is not enough to just have a licenese or paperwork -
> they must comply
> >with the approrpriate End User License Agreemnt to
> transfer the software
> >licese to you. This includes the CDs.
> >
> >So if you bought the machine (preinstalled from new) and
> it did not come
> >with a recovery method - contact the seller or OEM
> >If you bought a machine that had Windows XP installed
> after it was purchased
> >then contact the seller or you are required to buy a
> legitimate copy.
> >
> >If you are buying these PCs off other students then they
> MUST not retain any
> >of the software they are selling you that is currently
> installed on the PC.
> >--
> >Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >--
> >Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
> >
> >This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no
> >rights
> >
> >Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions,
> please use these
> >newsgroups
> >
> >"Sergio" <saenzr@sas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> >news:0bed01c367ee$45d57400$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> >> Many solutions offered in this forum exclude a lot of
> >> people. A segment of these people appears not to have
> the
> >> disks, I include myself.
> >>
> >> Many of us buy used computers because we cannot afford a
> >> new one or we can get a much cheaper pc in the open
> market
> >> (in my case from student to student) than from a direct
> PC
> >> dealer.
> >>
> >> Many of the used PCs are sold without the discs,
> although
> >> some vendors may give you the licences to the software
> >> installed. I have my licenses but not the disks.
> >>
> >> The license should entitle us to be offered solutions
> for
> >> those of us who do not have the disks.
> >
> >
> >.
> >

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