MIT Realm Trust intransitivity?

From: James Ervin (james_at_unc.edu)
Date: 02/26/04

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    When creating an outgoing trust to a MIT Kerberos 5 realm, one of the dialogs that pops up states:

    "Transitive: if client computers are configured to take advantage of
    transitive trusts, the trust is bounded by the domain and the realm in the
    relationship and the children of the domain and the realm in the
    relationship."

    What this implies--and what seems to be confirmed by our testing--is that if we have a "dedicated forest root" with no users, we can't have one child domain with all our users, map those users to MIT Kerberos realm principals, and then have users authenticate to the MIT realm and access resources in other child domains, because the trust with the MIT realm is not truly transitive--it can only descend the tree, not traverse back up to the root domain and then back down to another child domain. Is there a workaround or scheme for making cross-domain access to resources possible, other than creating explicit trusts between all child domains?

    Can we, for instance create an outgoing trust to an MIT realm in the dedicated forest root, but map users who reside in child domains to MIT principals, rather than having those users actually reside in the forest root? Logically, this would seem to work; and organizationally, it's preferable for us to leave our users in child domains for many reasons, control and responsibility among them. However, it doesn't address the problem of "transitive" trusts that really aren't.

    This article has a brief explanation of the "dedicated forest root" concept: http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/23521/23521.html

    Thanks as always-

    James Ervin
    Chapel Hill, NC


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