Re: EFS- manipulated UserPassword

From: Steven L Umbach (n9rou_at_n0-spam-for-me-comcast.net)
Date: 10/26/04


Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:14:39 GMT

No the problem still remains. The reason it works is because the built in
administrator account is also the Recovery Agent in Windows 2000. XP Pro
does not require a Recovery Agent, password resets will not allow the user
account to access EFS files, and uses stronger encryption. You would need to
upgrade to XP Pro OR export/delete the user's and Recovery Agent's EFS
private keys to a .pfx file when the computer is not physically secure. If
you do upgrade to XP Pro and do not remove the user's EFS private key from
the computer be SURE to make sure that the user is forced to use a complex
password. You can use security policy to enforce this.

The reason is that the user's password protects the EFS private key. An
attacker could still reset the administrator password to gain access to the
computer and then install a password cracker like LC5 on it to crack the
user's password and gain access to the EFS files. If you disable storage of
lm hashes on the computer, use password complexity, and a password of say at
least ten characters in length it would take a long time to crack it with
LC5. Password complexity only enforces three types of characters. If you are
the user or you can convince the user to use all four character types the
password will be much stronger yet as in T337r88t!* . A password like that
will not be easy to remember in which case the user could write it down as
long as it is not kept near the computer. --- Steve

"Thomas Weigel" <entwicklung_nospam__at__octagon_minus_gmbh_dot_de> wrote in
message news:utBFPh2uEHA.1984@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
>
> using w2k on laptos we would like to keep there some sensible data too.
> Searching for a solution EFS looked fine till I found the EFS backdoor
> problem mentioned in 2002.
> Where booting from a floppy, changing the password of the user (using
> certain programms) grants access to the encrypted directories and files
> too...
>
> I did not find any article about this problem (the only link I found, is
> worthless because of the new structure of MS-homepage...)
> I did not find any information searching for patches and within the
> service
> packs.
> Has the problem not been solved yet? If it has been solved, where can I
> find
> the solution?
> I would prefer to use the Windows 2000 EFS rather than a third party
> solution or updating to XP.
>
> thanks ahead and kind regards
>
> Thomas Weigel
>
>
>



Relevant Pages

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