Re: Deloder worm has resurfaced. Watch your privacy!

From: Nick FitzGerald (nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk)
Date: 03/30/03 

From: "Nick FitzGerald" <nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:12:17 +1200

"John" <Yochanon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nick FitzGerald, while drooling on their self, scribbled:
>
> > "John" <Yochanon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Note: "Followup-To: overruled and original posting list restored.
> >
> > Note^2: A good sign to start with one is dealing with an arsehole and/or
> > plonker -- he wants everyone to see his opinion but wishes to "restrict"
> > the response of those he replies to.
>
> Get yourself a newsreader that actually works correctly. ...

"Correctly" is so subjective, but it appears in this case that at least my
newsreader is working better than yours.

For starters, I've fixed your restrictive Followup-to: again. As you are
clearly too clueless to actually look at the headers of your own posts when
someone points out that they contain something you did not know was there,
I've included links to Google's archived copies of _both_ your messages in
this thread, in "Original Format" view (URLs will wrap -- yes, this is a
result of my crappy newsreader):

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BT8ha.562%24kK3.387872%40kent.svc.tds.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Yzoha.668%24kK3.575010%40kent.svc.tds.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

These show that both your messages have "Followup-To: alt.comp.virus" and I
was not just saying that in my previous response because I am a moron or
because my reputedly inferior newsreader was doing something wrong. So
John, who has the "POS" newsreader now?

As I am prepeared, from your tone, to accept that perhaps it wasnot _you_
that tried to limit the "followup" distribution, it seems we are left to
conclude that, at least when the issue is correctly forming the headers of
of a "reply to newsgroup" style response, my newsreader is less a POS than
yours. So let's see what yours is, eh?

> User-Agent: KNode/0.7.1

Oh dear, a piece of sofwtare so mature its author(s) haven't even given it
a post-beta version number. Might it not be only marginally stable?

I think we know where the real "POS newsreader" is now...

> ... Anyone else who has
> replied to a post by me whether new or in a thread has had no problems. ...

Or perhaps they were just as ignorant as you and thus didn't notice?

Maybe more of your penguin-praisin-at-all-price friends?

> ... You
> sure do get pissed easy when it's pointed out how you may be wrong about
> something don't you. ...

If the allegation is entirely wrong and the accuser as utterly stupid as to
not have done the slightest bit of thinking or checking of their own, I may
tend to the slightly incendiary end of the response spectrum. However, when
a grossly ignorant accuser, as we've already clearly seen you are, adopts an
air of superiority such as you did on top of all that ignorance, I treat such
puffery as it deserves.

> ... I've not got any "restrictions" set on *any* post I put
> up, ...

Well, _you_ may not have deliberately restricted them, but something has and
despite this being pointed out to you, you ignorantly failed to check and
then let your temper get the bette of you...

> ... you whiny baby.

Poor diddums -- not getting what you want?

> > <<snip entire quote of my post>>
> >> What a crock! S/he put it out, because if left up to "them" (those who are
> >> supposed to fix the 'problem'), they'd never get off their asses until 6
> >> months from now! As a matter of fact, M$ has said themselves they won't be
> >> 'fixing' some exploit/bug/security flaw in NT4, because it's just too much of
> >> a pain in the *** (essentially).
> >> These things need to be exposed, so that the company(s) who make these
> >> apps/software, quit hiring sloppy/lazy/scriptkiddies, and get back to
> >> *QUALITY*, not 'how fast can you guys turn this out so we can sell it?'.
> >> Funny how the opensource community gets right on these kinds of things almost
> >> instantly, ...

Yes, and ask them to fix your newsreader's "Followup-to when replying to
multiple group posts" bug while you're at it...

> >> ... meanwhile, M$ and its cronie companies sit on it to 'see if it's a
> >> bad as it might be'. Pretty pathetic.
> >
> > Excuse me, but what -- apart from displaying your complete lack of
> > intellect -- has that to do with what was being discussed?
>
> <snip 'let's try to baffle them with BS'>
>
> My reply as a 'whole', you sub-moron, was just that. You're so full of
> yourself you refuse to 'see' or 'hear' anything but what spews from your own
> mouth or ass. If you can't figure out what my reply was about, perhaps the lack
> of any intellect is on your part. Where did I refute any of the 'technical'
> parts? If you were as smart as you think yourself to be, you should know
> *exactly* to what I was replying to. Here, let me help you. This is part of
> what you posted, and (the main) part of what I was replying to:
>
> "I am interested in how you justify your membership of the ISSA in light
> of its code of ethics:
>
> http://www.issa.org/codeofethics.html
>
> and your actions in publicly releasing the VNC password used by Deloder.
> I see your actions as contrary to all but the last two of the items in
> that code, specifically:
>
> * Perform all professional activities and duties in accordance with
> the law and the highest ethical principles;
>
> As no formal list of "the highest ethical principles" is given, my
> highest ethical principles must be considered as suitable as the basis
> for comparison. As I would not have released that information because
> doing so would violate my ethical principles, your releasing the
> information puts you in beach of that point of the ISSA's code."

So your diatribe about speed of delivering updates, MS's refusal to patch
a recent NT 4.0 bug (FWIW, I agree that that sucks but at least it is now
available as public evidence that the original design was fundamentally
broken from the outset), your belief in the inherent quality of open-source
over proprietary s/w when it comes to such systems and so on was a relevant
reaction to my criticism of Kyle's ethics for choosing to unnecessarily
release the password Deloder uses for its VNC installation?

Wow -- greatly irrelvant still, but thanks for "clarifying" that...

> If you knew enough to deflate that over-sized ego of yours (wouldn't hurt your
> head any either), the 'problem' was already made public. ...

Your thoroughly discursive approach to "answering" things has me entirely
at a loss to understand what you mean by "the 'problem' was already made
public", so responding is difficult at best. Please explain what you mean
by that.

> ... The OP put the url,
> which by the way also contained any 'fixes'. You jumped on your ISSA white
> horse so damned fast, you forgot your sword to smite the 'bad OP'. So instead
> you try to tongue lash him with your 'I'm more ethical than you, you scumbag'
> BS. Now that someone (me) responds to a portion of your post, you've got your
> panties wadded so far up your ass, it's tearing you up!

Nope.

I have no "ISSA white horse". Kyle should though as he is a member and he
has clearly breached the association's ethical guidelines. I am not an ISSA
member and don't really care whether Kyle resigns for his breach (their
guidelines are quite clear about that), is booted out because someone else
dobs him in or neither. The point was that he has breached professional
ethics in choosing to publicize that password.

The rest of his analysis is fine (elsewhere I argue it is predictably very
unlikely to achieve a single goal Kyle states as his motivatin for producing
it, but it is often the case that we work in the knowledge that if a few are
helped it is worthwhile and the _hope_ that maybe, just maybe, this will be
the time a gretaer effect is achieved).

> > Given you tried to restrict my, or any other, response to your message to
> > alt.comp.virus, one has to suspect that you are vying for the "a.c.v tosser
> > of the year" award. (Perhaps you know that Sooooog has left a.c.v and thus
> > see this as the big chance for your breakthrough year vis a vis the award?)
>
> Given that you seem to not have the ability to understand how to use your POS
> news reader, this coming from you doesn't seem to hold much water, ...

Nah -- I just forgot the golden rule "never ascribe to malice that which is
adequately explained by incompetence". I apologize for suggesting you were
after the a.c.v tosser of the year award. Clearly you are just far too thick
to be allowed to use a newsreader that is not yet user-proofed enough to be
"safe" in the hands of sub-morons such as yourself.

> ... it actually
> sounds like you've got your hackles up thinking someone is trying to usurp the
> 'award' from *you*. Like I said, there's no 'restrictions' setup on *my*
> reader, ...

And like I said, there were and there are again. You are just too stupid to
work out how to check that I may be right and far too proud to admit that
you may be wrong. (You _would_ be a good replacement for Sooooog -- to go
one rung higher on the ladder of the Sooooogien-esque, you wouldn't happen
to be a twelth-rate coder who mainly writes programs by ripping other's
code then putting your own copyright notices on it??)

> ... the problem is on your end bud. ...

Nope -- as the world can see, you are entirely the "problem" here.

> ... Also since this is cross-posted to 5
> NG's, this will be the last reply from me you read. ...

Oh dear. Mummy's little boy running off to hide is he?

Well, in that case, as you have a Reply-To: header set, I'll CC this to your
Email address so you don't miss out out on seeing what a world-class plonker
the rest of the readers have seen you for...

> ... I've had plenty of
> 'battles' in NG's before, and I've *never* plonked anyone. ...

So?

Perhaps you need to look in a real dictionary to see what a "plonker" is...

> ... Your irrational need
> to do so to *anyone* after just one reply to a post from you, shows a *lack* of
> intellect and/or wish to try to understand or view any points not your own, but
> feel free to keep tossing out technical points in your posts though...it's the
> hot air for that swollen head of yours.

Huh??? 

--
Nick FitzGerald