Re: SQL 2005 - Searching Encrypted SSN

Hello Laurentiu,

Do you think that it is possible to do the following when the encryption is
salted?
"2) write your own encryption/decryption functions (not too difficult with a
SQLCLR hosted .NET System.Security.Cryptography namespace)"
What I mean is - how would the second encryption (that is done by the
function within the query) produce identical cipher text results to the first
encryption given the fact that the encryption algorithm uses a random
initialization vector?

In your opinion, what would be the best way to do what I want as quickly as
possible and without compromising security?
Are you familiar with any 3rd party database encryption solutions that uses
different IVs and perhaps can solve my problem?

Thanks,

Ron

"Laurentiu Cristofor [MSFT]" wrote:

Please also note that RC4 use is not recommended. Do not use RC4 just
because it's unsalted and allows you to index the encryption for equality
searches. While it may be convenient, it is not secure.

Thanks

--
Laurentiu Cristofor [MSFT]
Software Design Engineer
SQL Server Engine
http://blogs.msdn.com/lcris/

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Mike C#" <xyz@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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That was the kicker. Unless you can specify your own salt and IV (and I
don't have SQL 2K5 installed here at work, so I can't test it), you'll
either:

1) have to perform decryption on every column and compare,
2) write your own encryption/decryption functions (not too difficult with
a SQLCLR hosted .NET System.Security.Cryptography namespace), or 3) Store
a hash of the encrypted data. If you only need the SSN for identification
purposes, and not for reporting purposes, you could probably hash the SSN
and forget about encryption altogether.

BTW, according to BOL, SQL 2005 does not salt the encryption performed
with RC4 and RC4_128.

"Ron Brent" <RonBrent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Mike,

According to Laurentiu's blog -
http://blogs.msdn.com/lcris/archive/2005/12/22/506931.aspx -
"The encryption algortihms in SQL Server 2005 are salted. By salting, I
mean
that the encryption algorithms are always using a random initialization
vector (IV), which leads to the following property: encrypting twice the
same
piece of data using the same key will produce two different ciphertexts."

You say that theoretically I should be able to encrypt the SSN I'm
searching
for and compare that to the already-encrypted columns.
How would the second encryption (that is done within the query) produce
identical cipher text results to the first encryption given the fact that
the
encryption algorithm uses a random initialization vector?

Thanks,

Ron

"Mike C#" wrote:


"Ron Brent" <RonBrent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thanks Uri!

It will be helpful once we decide to implement the encryption, but my
question is this -
is it possible to search an encrypted column the way it's described in
the
blog and get the results quickly (at the same speed it takes to search
on
a
clear text)?

If you want to search using = in the WHERE clause, you can get
comparable
speed. Just don't decrypt the SSN's in the column. Theoretically you
should be able to encrypt the SSN you're searching for and compare that
to
the already-encrypted columns. Of course this won't work if your column
looks like this:

999-99-9999

And you want to search on last 4 digits or something similar. In that
case
you need to decrypt and compare row-by-row (unless you split the SSN up
into
separate columns...).








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