Re: Bootleg SOFTWARE
From: N. Miller (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 05/15/05
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Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:29:28 -0700
On Fri, 13 May 2005 21:40:02 -0700, jeb2005 wrote:
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>> "Jack" </dev> wrote in message
>> news:2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com...
>>> Microsoft wants you to rat out that person for a free copy of Windows XP.
>>> Nobody will stop you from using the bootleg (except maybe Microsoft since
>>> they've got your IP from the post and may take the time and effort to
>>> track you down), so you might as well keep using it.
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy -- As much as I hate to link people to it
>> Jack;
>> "rat out that person", that makes it sound like a bad thing.
>> Many of those affected are taking advantage of buyers who do not know how to
>> tell.
>> In this case "rat out that person" is a good thing because it may slow down
>> the thieves in their efforts of taking advantage of others.
>> That program is primarily aimed at businesses that sell stolen software
>> unbeknownst to the buyers and I doubt it applies to Windows 98..
> So what are you saying? It looks like you were writing to Jack, so how did I get yur post?
Jupiter Jones responded to Jacks post. Jack responded to your post. All
responses to particular posts are threaded according to which article is a
followup to which other article. They are posted through an NNTP server,
which then propagates the posts to other NNTP servers across the Internet.
You may Google on "NNTP service", if you wish to learn more. Basically,
once you make a post on these MSFT help groups, they are propagated world
wide; anybody in the whole world can see what you have posts.
Also, the MSFT NNTP servers have a retention of about 60 days. Other NNTP
servers carrying these groups may have longer, or shorter retention
periods. Once the retention period has lapsed, the message is expired from
the server. There are two exceptions. Google Groups archives NNTP posts
forever, for the most part. Local users, who have downloaded messages from
NNTP servers may archive them as well; depends upon how they have
configured their clients for purging older posts. The latter issue can be a
problem if you post a working email address; many modern viruses can
harvest that email address from posts archived on strangers' computers, and
use them as sender, and recipient address when trying to propagate
themselves. They will even harvest the message ID string, because of the
'@' contained in them.
Like many others, I access these news groups using a news reader (aka NNTP
client). I could subscribe from my ISP's news server
(news.sf.sbcglobal.net), but that server is flaky. For the MSFT help groups
it is easier to configure my client to access msnews.microsoft.com
directly. You can't see it in the web browser view of the groups, but news
clients can see the full message headers. From your original post (trimmed
to just the relevant lines):
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Subject: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:41:12 -0700
Message-ID: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
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Tells me that you used a web browser (but not which one) to access these
groups. From Jack's followup to your post:
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References: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:49:17 -0700
Message-ID: <2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
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Tells me that Jack also used a web browser to access these groups, read
your post, and post a response. Note the line marked, "References", and
that it has your original message ID in it. My reader also adds a
"Thread-Topic" header. Depending upon the situation, the topic, including
responses, is threaded by Subject, or by the message ID strings in the
References header line. From Jupiter Jones' followup to Jack's post:
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References: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
<2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:42:50 -0600
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
Message-ID: <#GcVUcDWFHA.132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>
Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl
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Tells me that Jupiter Jones used MS Outlook Express configured to access an
NNTP server. Comparing the Path header line in two test posts that I made,
one to the MSFT NNTP server, and one to the SBC-Y (my ISP) NNTP server, I
am reasonably confident that Jupiter Jones used the MSFT NNTP server. From
your followup to Jupiter Jones' post:
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References: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
<2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com>
<#GcVUcDWFHA.132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>
Subject: Re: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:40:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4B8D96C5-A4A4-4771-BBB1-3BDFC0E8AB66@microsoft.com>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
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Again, you have used the web browser. Especially note the Message-ID header
line in each set of headers, and the References header line as well. You
can see that each post is assigned a unique message ID string, but also
refers back to the earlier message ID stings of the threaded posts.
If you want to see what this group looks like in a news client, use the new
account Wizard in MS Outlook Express to set up a news (not email) account.
Tell it to use "msnews.microsoft.com" (omit the quotes), but do not set up
a login; the server allows free access, no login needed. DO NOT use a
working email address; Remember what I said about virus harvesters above!
You can use the same email address that the web browser has you using,
"jeb2005@discussions.microsoft.com"; but only use that on the MSFT NNTP
servers. If you set up some other server, use something ending either with
"@example.com", or "@*.invalid" (where you can put anything you want in
place of '*'). Make up your own user name. Once MSOE is set up to read
messages, just search through the group list for this group and subscribe.
There is no subscription fee, that is just the archaic term from before
there was an Internet which means to sign up to download the messages.
Oh; if you do set up the MSFT groups in MS Outlook Express, you can use the
Message Properties on downloaded messages to examine the full headers, just
as you can do with email.
-- Norman ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
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