Re: MS05-002 on 9x and ME
From: PCR (pcrrcp_at_netzero.net)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:04:05 -0500
I find myself in full agreement with cquirke on these issues.
Explorer.exe has never been updated on my Win98SE...
Desc: Windows Explorer
Size: 180,224 bytes
Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
..., despite I have taken every critical at Windows Update including the
IE Cumulative Updates. So, E & IE are just a shell (or "entry point" as
cquirke says) that calls other files/.dll's. EVEN IF the Win95 SR 2.1
version of Explorer.exe did work, it would be calling the same ones to
do a Delete/Copy, etc.
| I wonder whether someone could give me a *complete* account
| of how explorer is integrated with IE, including files, registry
| entries, functionality, etc.
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-- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR email@example.com "Ivan Bútora" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message news:OH3aw8ZNFHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... | PCR, can you research this for me?? | | "Ivan Bútora" <email@example.com> wrote in message news:ujYfOsKNFHA.3708@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... | > CQuirke! Am I correct that the Windows 95 explorer does not depend on any of these browse*.dll files? What would happen if you replaced Windows 98 SE explorer.exe with the Windows 95 SR 2.1 version of explorer.exe? I know there would be some functionality lost, such as view as web page, or the address bar. I wonder whether someone could give me a *complete* account of how explorer is integrated with IE, including files, registry entries, functionality, etc. | > Thanks, | > Ivan | > | > | > "cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message news:email@example.com... | > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:00:39 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" | > > >PA Bear wrote: | > > | > > >> Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the issue | > > >> about which you post. | > > | > > >Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the link I | > > >gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm | > > | > > >As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant MCSE, | > > >MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another issue that is | > > >of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP is about. | > > >I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough. | > > | > > I'm inclined to agree with Rick on this; this is IMO the biggest | > > hassle with Win9x, and a poor show that it's remained unfixed. | > > | > > >> (As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has | > > >> fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.) | > > | > > Nope. It's a difficult issue to pin down, as it is intermittent but | > > "sticky" - I suspect it latches into problem mode once tripped there | > > by some sort of race condition (mis-timed, ?simultaneous events). | > > | > > So it's been hard to pin it down to particular versions of anything. | > > I'm not even that sure it affects only IE 6 xx or Win98xx, for example | > > | > > But it's significant, given that it makes it extremely tedious to do | > > real, bread-and-butter file management. That's why it's such an | > > embarrasment; an OS that can't copy files from one place to another is | > > like a car that can't turn its wheels around. | > > | > > I can tell you this, though; IE 6 SP1 doesn't fix the issue in | > > Win98SE. I know, because that's the hardware I live with, and I see | > > this issue on a regular basis! Once the issue starts - classically | > > after doing a bulk erase or copy, whether Recycle Bin is bypassed or | > > not - then every attempt to rename or delete files or create new | > > folders will fail in the same way. The problem stops when | > > Explorer.exe is restarted, either by killing it as a task in the | > > Ctl+Alt+Del list, or by shutting down and restarting Windows. | > > | > > >Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to, but surely | > > >you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been well | > > >confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years; | > > >thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link | > > >http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about was never | > > >fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem does exist for | > > >W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it wasn't. | > > | > > Yes, this problem has been often raised, and until the reference to | > > BrowseLC.dll and BrowseUI.dll, no solution has ever been apparent. | > > | > > There's a similar sort of problem where a fake (null-properties) W: | > > drive letter appears in the left pane of Explorer, sometimes with all | > > other drive letters vanishing. That was attributed to WinZip and | > > (AFAICR) some IE 5.xx versions, though I didn't find such a solid link | > > (i.e. I think I saw it in the absence of WinZip). | > > | > > Then there's general flakiness of Windows Explorer, such that renames | > > or deletions often don't appear in the left pane until an explicit F5 | > > to refresh. Happens especially in Start Menu. | > > | > > Then there's the slowdown in Start Menu that started with Win98 (may | > > be related to IE 4's "Desktop Integration"). Whereas in pre-IE4 | > > Win95xx, the Start Menu appears as fast as delay setting allows, and | > > appears in a single flash, in Win98+ it dribbles from top downwards; | > > you can feel the slowness as each icon gets painted in. | > > | > > This may be hidden by the artificially-added slowness of Win98's | > > "animation" feature. It's pretty obvious once that feature's | > > disabled; one wonders if the "feature" was added to cover it up! | > > | > > | > > Now I know some see shuffling those .DLLs as a definitive fix; I would | > > too, as long as I don't have to fall below IE 5.5 SP2 (and thus run | > > the risk or regressing to the point that MIME-spoofing attacks are | > > once again facilitated by the OS). | > > | > > | > > | > > >---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - | > > Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com | > > >---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -