Re: MS05-002 on 9x and ME

From: Rick T (plinnane3REMOVE_at_NOSPAMyahoo.com)
Date: 03/30/05 

Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:33:32 -0500

M$ doesn't publicize those things and the stuff the ppl at pclite do is
their IP. Try it, if you don't like it you can always switch back or
(at worst) reinstall your OS.

I'm not completely sure of what will happen since their focus seems more
on dis-integrating IE rather than WE.

Rick

Ivan Bútora wrote:
> Rick, I know about that page, and have browsed through it, but I
> couldn't find what I am looking for, i.e. a complete account of the
> integration, not just partial bits and pieces.
>
> "Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23rw9WxKNFHA.244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>> www.litepc.com
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Ivan Bútora wrote:
>>
>>> CQuirke! Am I correct that the Windows 95 explorer does not
>>> depend on any of these browse*.dll files? What would happen if
>>> you replaced Windows 98 SE explorer.exe with the Windows 95 SR
>>> 2.1 version of explorer.exe? I know there would be some
>>> functionality lost, such as view as web page, or the address bar.
>>> I wonder whether someone could give me a *complete* account of
>>> how explorer is integrated with IE, including files, registry
>>> entries, functionality, etc. Thanks, Ivan
>>>
>>>
>>> "cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews@nospam.mvps.org>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:v4ig41hk9t82pdidbrn2gu7uihkq61v6ud@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:00:39 -0500, "Rick Chauvin"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> PA Bear wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do
>>>>>> with the issue about which you post.
>>>>
>>>>> Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with
>>>>> the link I gave.
>>>>> http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
>>>>
>>>>> As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry
>>>>> Bryant MCSE, MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about
>>>>> another issue that is of great importance for 9x to get fixed
>>>>> - besides what the OP is about. I apologize for tagging onto
>>>>> it, but felt it was important enough.
>>>>
>>>> I'm inclined to agree with Rick on this; this is IMO the
>>>> biggest hassle with Win9x, and a poor show that it's remained
>>>> unfixed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> (As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed
>>>>>> has fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. It's a difficult issue to pin down, as it is
>>>> intermittent but "sticky" - I suspect it latches into problem
>>>> mode once tripped there by some sort of race condition
>>>> (mis-timed, ?simultaneous events).
>>>>
>>>> So it's been hard to pin it down to particular versions of
>>>> anything. I'm not even that sure it affects only IE 6 xx or
>>>> Win98xx, for example
>>>>
>>>> But it's significant, given that it makes it extremely tedious
>>>> to do real, bread-and-butter file management. That's why it's
>>>> such an embarrasment; an OS that can't copy files from one
>>>> place to another is like a car that can't turn its wheels
>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>> I can tell you this, though; IE 6 SP1 doesn't fix the issue in
>>>> Win98SE. I know, because that's the hardware I live with, and
>>>> I see this issue on a regular basis! Once the issue starts -
>>>> classically after doing a bulk erase or copy, whether Recycle
>>>> Bin is bypassed or not - then every attempt to rename or delete
>>>> files or create new folders will fail in the same way. The
>>>> problem stops when Explorer.exe is restarted, either by killing
>>>> it as a task in the Ctl+Alt+Del list, or by shutting down and
>>>> restarting Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring
>>>>> to, but surely you are mistaken here of what we are talking
>>>>> about which has been well confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a
>>>>> hundred times over the last 2 years; thousands of times
>>>>> elsewhere. The issue that the link
>>>>> http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks
>>>>> about was never fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable
>>>>> that the problem does exist for W98x. I would of not stuck
>>>>> my neck out to make my post if it wasn't.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, this problem has been often raised, and until the
>>>> reference to BrowseLC.dll and BrowseUI.dll, no solution has
>>>> ever been apparent.
>>>>
>>>> There's a similar sort of problem where a fake
>>>> (null-properties) W: drive letter appears in the left pane of
>>>> Explorer, sometimes with all other drive letters vanishing.
>>>> That was attributed to WinZip and (AFAICR) some IE 5.xx
>>>> versions, though I didn't find such a solid link (i.e. I think
>>>> I saw it in the absence of WinZip).
>>>>
>>>> Then there's general flakiness of Windows Explorer, such that
>>>> renames or deletions often don't appear in the left pane until
>>>> an explicit F5 to refresh. Happens especially in Start Menu.
>>>>
>>>> Then there's the slowdown in Start Menu that started with Win98
>>>> (may be related to IE 4's "Desktop Integration"). Whereas in
>>>> pre-IE4 Win95xx, the Start Menu appears as fast as delay
>>>> setting allows, and appears in a single flash, in Win98+ it
>>>> dribbles from top downwards; you can feel the slowness as each
>>>> icon gets painted in.
>>>>
>>>> This may be hidden by the artificially-added slowness of
>>>> Win98's "animation" feature. It's pretty obvious once that
>>>> feature's disabled; one wonders if the "feature" was added to
>>>> cover it up!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now I know some see shuffling those .DLLs as a definitive fix;
>>>> I would too, as long as I don't have to fall below IE 5.5 SP2
>>>> (and thus run the risk or regressing to the point that
>>>> MIME-spoofing attacks are once again facilitated by the OS).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>>
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