Re: Reading Email while onLine

From: Jim Macklin (p51mustang[threeX12)
Date: 04/09/04 

Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:39:42 -0500

Rant. I am not an MVP or any Microsoft employee or victim.
But sometimes the personal attacks are fun to view from a
safe distance. But personal attacks do not help, just cite
the errors in fact, don't call people names.

"Shannon Jacobs" <shanen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:epX9aXjHEHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| Well, well, well. Just replaced one of my computers, and
in testing, what do
| we see here? Sandi Hardmeier, Microsoft MVP is STILL out
there trying to
| claim some credibility or competence or reading
comprehension skill or
| something? No substantial security-related issues today,
but the new machine
| is working quite well, and I'm in such a cheerful mood
that I feel like
| rehashing this thread a bit. I suppose it's a sad form of
amusement, but
| it's apparently what Sandi Hardmeier, Microsoft MVP wants.
|
| (Or maybe it's semi-substantially worth noting that a
brand new machine
| already needed 16 Microsoft security patches right out of
the box? Or was it
| 18? Never enough time for Microsoft to do it right the
first time, but
| always enough time to make the customers do it over, eh?
*sigh* If I could
| only bill Microsoft at my regular hourly rate for the time
I spend dealing
| with the [mostly security-related] problems Microsoft is
responsible for,
| then I would probably be rich enough to retire by now. Of
course, I'm sure
| all such liability was officially excluded somewhere in
their disclaimers.
| Just for grins, on this new machine I actually started
scrolling through the
| Microsoft license agreement when it asked me to accept it.
Not actually
| trying to read it, mind you, just trying to see how long
the dang thing was.
| It was still scrolling after a minute or two, so I got
bored and just
| checked the acceptance box.)
|
| Anyway, I promised a thread rehash... Long time ago,
probably early in
| February, some newbie posted a comment that somehow caught
my attention. I
| posted a rather generic reply. Some TNI (typical newsgroup
idiot) posted
| some kind of insulting comment about my reply, apparently
because I didn't
| know a blessed acronym. Okay, TNIs like to do that kind of
stuff, and it's
| worth ignoring. However, in this case the insult then
received an official
| stamp of approval from Sandi Hardmeier, Microsoft MVP. No
substantive
| comment, just an approval of the insult.
|
| A couple of weeks later, I somehow noticed the thread,
probably from a
| Google scan. The TNI still wasn't worth noticing, but the
| Sandi-Hardmeier-Microsoft-MVP approval of the insult did
stick in my craw,
| so I posted a comment about how valueless the MVP reply
was and wandered
| off.
|
| Now I discover that Sandi Hardmeier, Microsoft MVP, had
once again lept to
| defend her (or his) honor, apparently within a day or so.
No real defense,
| so nothing worth saying about it. You can't create respect
by screaming and
| thumping your chest (or keyboard). But maybe you could use
a newsgroup
| scanning robot to improve your response speed?
|
| Hey, Sandi Hardmeier, Microsoft MVP. The official purpose
of the MVP program
| is supposed to be to help Microsoft victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
customers. If you
| don't have anything helpful to say, maybe you should just
keep your fat
| fingers off of the keyboard. (By the way, I have no basis
to know or care
| whether or not the fingers are physically fat, but it's
intended in a
| metaphorical fatheaded sense.)
|
| Basically confirms my impression regarding the effective
death of the MVP
| program. Hard to see why anyone with an actual life and
actual competence
| would put much effort into helping Microsoft make more
money, but some of
| the MVPs really provided a lot of valuable help back in
those
| pre-Sandi-Hardmeier days. However, as already noted,
"free", "support", and
| "Microsoft" have always failed to go together.
|
| (Or maybe I'm just spoiled, since I was helpful enough
that I normally got
| paid for it? Anyway, I still think support is satisfying
work, but not
| always fully appreciated, and I confess I'm kind of glad
to have moved
| onward and upward...)
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" <sandi_hardmeier@mvps.org>
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security
| Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:49 PM
| Subject: Re: Reading Email while onLine
|
|
| > "Shannon Jacobs" <shanen@my-deja.com> wrote in message
| > news:c5862fb7.0403030610.761f9f99@posting.google.com...
| > > Was it now?
| >
| > I believe that's what I said.
| >
| > > I actually raised a substantive and new security
issue. One would
| > > imagine that such a fine and upstanding security
expert as Sandi
| > > Hardmeier, Microsoft MVP, would have some substantive
comment.
| >
| > Perhaps if you'd not taken more than 2 weeks at a time
to respond I'd
| place
| > more credence in your assessment as a 'substantive and
new security issue'
| > comments. Surely 'substantive and new security issues'
deserve more than
| the
| > occasional fly-by visit.
| >
| > > You know how much those CD's cost? The ones that they
"reward" the
| > > MVPs with? On old friend has become a publisher these
years, and he
| > > told me it costs them around 10 cents a piece for
large runs.
| >
| > I'm intrigued that you consider such information to be
of such importance,
| > or relevant for that matter; did you perhaps think I
would find it
| hurtful?
| > <G>
| >
| > > I think you (Sandi Hardmeier, Microsoft MVP) are
overcompensated--but
| > > I'm including the postage in my considerations.
| >
| > Ah, an attempt at insult. Tsk tsk.
| >
| > > You know, I'm still less than amused at your inability
to address any
| > > of the real issues after you went and stirred things
up. Makes me feel
| > > like just repeating the last little comment you were
unable to deal
| > > with in anything remotely resembling a constructive
fashion. To whit:
| >
| > What was the issue again? Its been lost in the flaming.
Something you
| > should, perhaps, keep in mind the next time you try
trolling.
| >
| > > Well, well, well. What a deep and "valuable" response:
| >
| > It was all that was required.
| >
| > --
| > Hyperlinks are used to ensure advice remains current
| > Do NOT send me an email. I will NOT see it (thank the
spammers and
| viruses)
| > _______________________________________
| > Sandi - Microsoft MVP since 1999 (IE/OE)
| > http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer
| >
|

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