Re: Unable to get viruses
From: Susan Bradley, CPA aka \ (sbradcpa@pacbell.net)
Date: 09/28/02
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:18:02 -0700 From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka \"Ebitz\" SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
"By the way, have you tried WINE or win4lin lately? They have also made
great progress in the last few years."
They are getting "real" close. The only thing stopping most of us is that most
of the vendors won't go on the record supporting Linux/Emulation/Wine
platforms. I'm beginning to see Linux as servers being supported but not yet
desktops. Our Accounting industry "experts" that see a room full of hands when
we are asked whether we run a 100% Microsoft shop are stating that in 5 years,
the room won't be as full of "hands".
Susan
Talon wrote:
> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka "Ebitz" SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> wrote in message news:3D93FD3A.8F3F34B8@pacbell.net...
> > Don't mean to start a flame war out here but honestly anyone who thinks
> that
> > ANY software is immune to Stupid Computer Users - come live in the "real
> > world".
> >
>
> I agree with you here, as soon as you build something foolproof, along comes
> a bigger fool. I have found that if someone is bound and determined to
> screw something up, they will.
>
> > My point in this whole issue is that show me ANY operating system written
> BY
> > ANYONE [individual or company] and if it is not set up properly it is a
> ticking
> > time bomb. Default installs, bad passwords....... doesn't take a rocket
> > scientist to do this stuff these days.
> >
>
> True.
>
> > http://isc.incidents.org/ Slapper is NOT a Microsoft worm - and I sure
> don't
> > see those Apache web server administrators "rolling their own patch" out
> there.
> >
>
> Slapper is not a Microsoft worm, any more than it is a Linux worm, it is an
> Apache problem. And, by the way, Apache can be installed on a Microsoft
> platform too. Also, note that slapper hasn't caused as many problems as
> Code Red or Nimda, especially if you take into account the percentage
> difference in servers using the different OSes.
>
> > No matter what OS is run on machines - we will always have someone out
> there
> > wanting to see if they can break in...... Absolute security is either a
> > computer turned off or a computer not connected to the Internet.
> >
>
> Even without a computer at all, you are still vunerable to many of the same
> threats, aren't you? Even now, it is much more likely that your credit card
> number will be stolen at the local convience store when you buy gas than on
> the internet.
>
> > While your risk levels may be vastly lowered right now, give it time....
> when
> > Linux is 95% of the desktop marketplace - yes indeed, Mr. Talon, Linux
> security
> > WILL be in the hands of the user. All those former Windows users will be
> now
> > using Linux running AOL in root. Trust me, they are currently still
> running
> > Windows 95 and 98 and won't understand the concept of Admin..
>
> This brings up a very good point. Most common users learned about computers
> on Windows. Recently, someone at Microsoft (I think it was Balmer, but
> can't remember off hand) admitted that Microsoft products were not designed
> with security in mind, whereas Linux was. The idea of Admin and Root are
> built into all versions. The whole mindset that common users have is not
> security minded, because their primary OS supplier's mindset has not been
> security minded. Who is responsible for that lack of education? I agree
> though, as Linux grows on the desktop, there will be many more people out
> there running as Root on AOL. You just cannot account for stupidity.
>
> > For the record,
> > I have used both. That's why I said it currently won't work in my
> business. I
> > have desktop applications that will not yet run in Linux.
> >
>
> I also use and administer a half a dozen different OS's in the run of any
> given week. Because of that, I can kinda see this thing from many sides
> too. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Linux has seen the most
> improvement in the last 5 years, from what I have seen. Whereas it appears
> that Microsoft is still fighting the same inherent structural flaws that it
> has been fighting for those last 5 years. Granted, the NTFS based releases
> are comsiderably better, but they also have many of the same problems. The
> fundamental core of their OSes is still carrying around the same flaws that
> it had 20 years ago. (I hope that the Longhorn project actually gets done
> correctly, a ground-up re-write is the only thing that can save it, I
> think.) Think history - Linux is a scaled-down version of an old, tried and
> true network OS, where Windows (any flavor) is a scaled-up version of a
> personal, stand-alone OS.
>
> By the way, have you tried WINE or win4lin lately? They have also made
> great progress in the last few years.
>
> > We all need to be very very careful here and stay up to date on security
> > patches for all systems we have under our control:
> >
>
> I agree, but, in the MS world, we have to wait for the company to 1) admit
> there is a problem, 2) solve it (hopefully not breaking anything else) and
> 3) release a fix, in whatever form they decide to release it (patch, WUD,
> SP, etc.), and then we are forced to accept another EULA to install it,
> which sometimes contains new terms we don't want to accept, but are forced
> to, with the only alternative being to remain vunerable.
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >
> > Susan Bradley
> > and yes, I am proud to state that I'm a MVP
> >
>
> By your words here, and your obvious understanding of the issues, I believe
> that you are a reasonable person, and a credit to the MVP that you use after
> your name. There are some that use the initials that are not, but I have
> run into many that are. I also noticed that you have a CPA after your name.
> Same thing there, there are good ones and bad ones. I, personally could put
> a dozen letters after my name, but choose not to. That's my choice. My
> only caution is if you use the letters, make them noble.
>
> TALON §
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