Re: general concerns regarding hacking of .NET assemblies

From: Nate A (NateA_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 10/27/04

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    Thanks Rahul. That is exactly the solution I'm looking for.

    I looked into Stong Name Signing and what I am able to do is delay sign the
    assembly, obfuscate it with DotFuscator, and then sign it with sn.exe. This
    provides a security level I am comfortable with.

    Thanks a lot for the help.

    "Rahul Kumar" wrote:

    >
    > "Nate A" <Nate A@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:C9247B9A-9521-4BB4-9B6F-FE746B9DAC2A@microsoft.com...
    > > I am at the beginning stages of writing a massive database-connected
    > business
    > > management application using the .NET framework and am becoming worried
    > about
    > > the security of the application upon completion.
    > >
    > > I have recently become aware of the ease at which a .NET assembly can be
    > > disassembled into its easily readable, underlying CLI code. I can see that
    > it
    > > would not be difficult for a malicious user to disassemble, modify, and
    > then
    > > recompile in CLI byte code (using the included VS.NET tools). This
    > concerns
    > > me deeply since I can see how easy it would be to obtain critical
    > information
    > > within the code.
    > >
    > > I looked into code obfuscation tools such as DotFuscator. As far as I can
    > > tell, these tools can only make your code harder to understand by renaming
    > > CLI metadata to more or less random names, and optionally encrypting
    > internal
    > > strings (such as "salts" to use in encryption/decryption algorithms or
    > > passwords used to access remote data, like a database server). Apparently
    > > they can also slightly modify the way an algorithm operates to hide the
    > > details of the algorithm while maintaining the true functionality of the
    > > algorithm. However, algorithm hiding is not my big concern so that is
    > > irrelevant.
    > >
    > > This, however, fails to put my mind at ease since much can be understood
    > > about the code after disassembling an obfuscated assembly.
    > >
    > > For example, if one's application has a class containing methods for
    > > encryption and decryption of data using the .NET Framework's
    > "Cryptography"
    > > namespace, a hacker needs only to look for classes that "Imports" the
    > > Cryptography namespace, or that make calls to members of that namespace in
    > > order to realize "hey, I bet this class contains the functions used for
    > this
    > > applications encryption." The class may be named "a", with public members
    > > "a", "b" and "c" by the obfuscator, but the hacker still knows that
    > members
    > > "a", "b" and "c" probably do encryption and decryption.
    > >
    > > So now let me get to a particular concern of mine dealing with my
    > > application and see if anyone has any suggestions.
    > >
    > > My application connects to a remote database, so let's say a hacker wants
    > to
    > > cop the database password from my app. He knows there must be a database
    > > password stored somewhere in the application code, registry, or an
    > external
    > > settings file. WHERE it is stored is more or less irrelevant since it won'
    > t
    > > be hard to find it either way. I happen to store it in a XML settings
    > file.
    > > Of course the password is encrypted in the file, but once the hacker finds
    > > the encrypted password string, he knows that at some point in the
    > > application, the string will be decrypted when it needs to be sent to the
    > > database server to log onto the database.
    > >
    > > So once he finds the CLI code in the assembly where the encrypted password
    > > is fetched from the settings file, pushed onto the stack, and then a call
    > is
    > > made to a method in the suspected encryption/decryption class, he has now
    > > figured out the method that decrypts the password and can use this to
    > wreak
    > > havoc on my app.
    > >
    > > It seems to me that all the programmer has to do at this point to get the
    > > decrypted password is add a little CLI code after the point where the
    > > password is decrypted. I don't know much of the specifics of the CLI
    > > language, but after inspection of my disassembled code, the hacker could
    > add
    > > something like:
    > >
    > > //push the decrypted string onto the stack
    > > ldstr "the decrypted password string returned by the 'secret' decryption
    > > function"
    > >
    > > //call the visual basic "messagebox" method to show him the decrypted
    > string
    > > call
    > [Microsoft.VisualBasic]Microsoft.VisualBasic.Interaction::MsgBox(object)
    > >
    > > Boom, there it is, the database password shown to the hacker in a MsgBox!
    > He
    > > now has free reign to log into my database and delete records or replace
    > all
    > > credit card numbers with "suck it!" if he wants (or whatever it is these
    > guys
    > > like to do BESIDES getting laid!)
    > >
    > > So the only thing I can see that would almost guarantee that a hacker
    > could
    > > not do this would be by not allowing him to modify the code, like having
    > the
    > > program detect if it was modified before it was run. I'm not aware of any
    > way
    > > to do this that is built into the .NET Framework, but if this exists,
    > maybe
    > > someone can let me know.
    > >
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > If I have understood the issue correctly that there does exist a mechanism
    > in .Net to sign your assemblies with a strong name, which will help the CLR
    > detect that the code has been tampered with, before running the code. The
    > code signing process (by strong name) makes a hash of all the files that
    > makes up your assembly, then encrypts the hash with a private key, places
    > the encrypted hash and the public key in the assembly manifest for the CLR
    > to grab it verify the integrity of your assembly before executing it.(Raises
    > exception if hashes don't match)
    > Please let me know if this is what you wanted to know.
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Rahul
    >
    >
    > > I also considered the possibility of calculating the .exe file's checksum,
    > > sending it along with the application in some form or another, and then
    > > having the application calculate it's own checksum each time it's run, and
    > > check it against the stored value and throw an error if they do not match.
    > (I
    > > was hoping that the .NET framework had this kind of security built in, but
    > I
    > > haven't come across it yet.) Has anyone ever tried this? Or can anyone
    > think
    > > of some pitfalls of this method?
    > >
    > > So anyway, I hope this post will catch the eye of someone who knows more
    > > about these kinds of things than me and maybe they can point me in the
    > right
    > > direction on how to secure my code considering these issues mentioned
    > above.
    > >
    > > Thanks for taking the time to read this.
    > > -Nate A
    > >
    >
    >
    >


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