Re: Security makes .Net a JOKE.....

From: Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP] (onyxkirx_at_--NOSPAM--comcast.net)
Date: 03/06/04 

Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:21:03 -0600

"SStory" <TheStorys@TAKEOUTTHISSPAMBUSTERsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:uBoN7fvAEHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Agreed,
> If anyone wants to crack it they will, but I don't want to put it out
> there
> with no protection.
> Some honest people won't go to warez. Others will.. I am looking at the
> honest folks.

Actually, honest people don't steal, when they decided to steal there goes
their honesty, doesn't it now?
>
> So small app--not counting the dotnet runtime--which is why I will
> distribute the original on CD.
> What is the best solution to keep the honest folks honest and still be
> able
> to provide updates over the internet?

Again, there isn't. Cracking a program isn't any more work for most people
beyond hitting a search engine, typing in the name and running a small
program. All native code may do is buy you a few hours more before that
search engine lists your app, and honestly it probably won't. Beyond that,
I'm not sure where updating comes in to the picture, as they are seperate
things.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shane
>
> "Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP]" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in
> message news:ub55IzkAEHA.1468@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "SStory" <TheStorys@TAKEOUTTHISSPAMBUSTERsofthome.net> wrote in message
>> news:eda1uBXAEHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > Honestly, Todd, I must agree with Earthworm a bit....
>> >
>> > There may be some great solutions but finding them is like searching
>> > for
>> > platnum.
>> >
>> > 1.) Best way to protect intellectual property? And afford it?
>>
>> That one is easy, there are two choices: keep it to yourself or write
>> immensly boring stuff(believe it or not, most protection is the latter,
>> no
>> one simply cares). You can't protect intellectual property that you
> release.
>> You can sue, you can run massive campaigns against theft, and you'll
> *still*
>> have your property stolen. Obfusticate, use C++ and native code, sell
>> your
>> software sealed in a chip...someone is still going to steal it if its
>> interesting.
>> > 2.) Best way to distribute and license and yet be able to update?
>>
>> This one is difficult, and depends strongly on what you are doing. No
> single
>> platform offers much of a solution to this, and like above, licensing is
>> really just for the honest person, anyone who wants to steal your
>> software
>> will, be it in C++ or .NET, your license can(and will) still be broken.
>>
>> Best way to distribute depends heavily on the app. A small app is
>> downloadable, but if your app is 500 megs, then the best is bound to be
>> cd
>> based.
>> > I have searched for some time and still don't have a good complete
>> > solution.
>> >
>> > Shane
>> >
>> > "ToddT" <NOturczytj@SPAMmaritz.com> wrote in message
>> > news:gfik30hjcktaa1ul7b1t18bm4eb31j52r3@4ax.com...
>> >> searching on "code security" in msdn found several high-level and
>> >> several overview documents (and step-by-step tutorials) on the
>> >> subject. is microsoft asking too much that you actually read an
>> >> article or two?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:37:18 -0000, "Earth Worm Jim" <sdd> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >OH AND NOT EVERY DEVELOPER WANTS TO BECOME A SECURITY EXPERT JUST SO
>> >> >THAT
>> >> >THEY CAN GET THERE APPLICATION OUT THERE IS THE REAL WORLD.
>> >> >
>> >> >IS IT TO MUCH TO ASK FOR A COMPLETE EXAMPLE AND NOT JUST STUPID
> EXAMPLES
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Earth Worm Jim" <sdd> wrote in message
>> >> >news:evFZgFj#DHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> MICROSOFT IF YOU WANT TO STOP SECURITY LEAKS IN DEVELOPERS CODE TRY
>> > MAKING
>> >> >> THE DOCUMENTATION ON HOW TO SECURE .NET APPLICATION UNDERSTANDABLE,
>> >> >> TRY
>> >> >> WRITING IT IN ENGLISH AND NOT JARGON.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ALL I WANTED TO KNOW WAS HOW TO DETERMINE WHICH PERMISSIONS AN
>> >> >> ASSEMBLY
>> >> >> NEEDS AND HOW TO DENY ALL OTHER PERMISSIONS
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BUT YOU CAN'T DO THIS EASILY.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> EARTH WORM JIM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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