Re: Constrained delegation question!


The event logs we need to know about are the ones on the server running the services you are controlling remotely.

Can you show what happens when you have a console app that accesses the remote server running the services in terms of the security audits on the remote server?

--
Joe Kaplan-MS MVP Directory Services Programming
Co-author of "The .NET Developer's Guide to Directory Services Programming"
http://www.directoryprogramming.net
"Tony201" <Tony201@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:BB8A31F2-712F-4DC9-BA37-A07AFF75D315@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Joe,

I am using the hostname in my code

dGrid.DataSource = ServiceController.GetServices("serverxxxx");

On the web server, I tried browsing to the application using the IP address.
This works and I get a events logged that indicate that Kerb authentication
has taken place (see below). However, when I use the DNS name to browse to
the application, it gives me an access denied error and I get the NT
AUTHORITY\ANONYMOUS LOGON event. I am not sure why this is so.

Event Type: Success Audit
Event Source: Security
Event Category: Logon/Logoff
Event ID: 538
Date: 24/06/2009
Time: 11:35:07
User: Domain\Username
Computer: TargetServer
Description:
User Logoff:
User Name: Username
Domain: WEB
Logon ID: (0x0,0x98B42A2)
Logon Type: 3
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.


Event Type: Success Audit
Event Source: Security
Event Category: Logon/Logoff
Event ID: 540
Date: 24/06/2009
Time: 11:34:36
User: Domain\Username
Computer: TargetServer
Description:
Successful Network Logon:
User Name: Username
Domain: Domain
Logon ID: (0x0,0x98B42A2)
Logon Type: 3
Logon Process: Kerberos
Authentication Package: Kerberos
Workstation Name:
Logon GUID: {2c253827-89be-8166-d10a-865d2075808e}
Caller User Name: -
Caller Domain: -
Caller Logon ID: -
Caller Process ID: -
Transited Services: -
Source Network Address: 172.16.224.1
Source Port: 0
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Event Type: Success Audit
Event Source: Security
Event Category: Logon/Logoff
Event ID: 576
Date: 24/06/2009
Time: 11:34:36
User: Domain\Username
Computer: TargetServer
Description:
Special privileges assigned to new logon:
User Name: Username
Domain: Domain
Logon ID: (0x0,0x98B42A2)
Privileges: SeSecurityPrivilege
SeBackupPrivilege
SeRestorePrivilege
SeTakeOwnershipPrivilege
SeDebugPrivilege
SeSystemEnvironmentPrivilege
SeLoadDriverPrivilege
SeImpersonatePrivilege
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.




"Joe Kaplan" wrote:

Normally when you see an anonymous login being attempted with NTLM, it is
because the client did not attempt Kerberos authentication to access the
remote server.

When you connect to the remote machine in your code to manage the service
control manager, are you using an IP address or the host name? Kerb
requires the use of the host name.

You might start by using a simple console app on the web server to access
the remote SCM and seeing what type of authentication is recorded on the
remote machine in the security event log. What you are looking for is a
kerberos-based authentication to that machine. If you can only get NTLM
auth to the remote machine, you won't be able to get Kerb delegation to
work. Hopefully this helps flesh out your mental model.

--
Joe Kaplan-MS MVP Directory Services Programming
Co-author of "The .NET Developer's Guide to Directory Services Programming"
http://www.directoryprogramming.net
"Tony201" <Tony201@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:5CD39A01-312E-48A0-A594-6AFAD333E825@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Hi Joe,
>
> You are right there is a service called HOST on the target server which > I
> have now delegated to the IIS AppPool account. However I am still > getting
> access denied. The one thing I forgot to mention in my earlier posts is
> that
> when I browse to the application locally (i.e on the web server), it
> works,
> however, when I browse to it from an XP box I get access denied.
>
> The thing that perplexes me is that there are no faillure audit events > on
> any of the servers including the domain controllers. The only 2 events
> that
> might be related i.e they are generated everytime I browse to the
> application
> from my XP box and they mention the web server name. I have listed > these
> below.
>
> Event Type: Success Audit
> Event Source: Security
> Event Category: Logon/Logoff
> Event ID: 540
> Date: 23/06/2009
> Time: 10:22:03
> User: NT AUTHORITY\ANONYMOUS LOGON
> Computer: TARGET-SERVER
> Description:
> Successful Network Logon:
> User Name:
> Domain:
> Logon ID: (0x0,0x7D98711)
> Logon Type: 3
> Logon Process: NtLmSsp
> Authentication Package: NTLM
> Workstation Name: WEB-SERVER
> Logon GUID: -
> Caller User Name: -
> Caller Domain: -
> Caller Logon ID: -
> Caller Process ID: -
> Transited Services: -
> Source Network Address: 172.16.224.1
> Source Port: 0
> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>
> Event Type: Success Audit
> Event Source: Security
> Event Category: Logon/Logoff
> Event ID: 538
> Date: 23/06/2009
> Time: 10:22:06
> User: NT AUTHORITY\ANONYMOUS LOGON
> Computer: TARGET-SERVER
> Description:
> User Logoff:
> User Name: ANONYMOUS LOGON
> Domain: NT AUTHORITY
> Logon ID: (0x0,0x7D98711)
> Logon Type: 3
> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>
>
> "Joe Kaplan" wrote:
>
>> The account to delegate to would be the domain computer account for >> the
>> machine running the services. I think you should be able to use the
>> service
>> type "HOST" which is a wildcard for a bunch of stuff and typically >> covers
>> these built in RPC things like remote management.
>>
>> I'm not sure what this would look like in the GUI exactly. I usually
>> make
>> this type of change using a lower level tool but hopefully this gives >> you
>> the idea.
>>
>> You should not need to create a new SPN though. You are just >> delegating
>> to
>> an existing one. The HOST/xxx SPNs for the computer account are >> created
>> automatically when the machine is joined to the domain.
>>
>> -- >> Joe Kaplan-MS MVP Directory Services Programming
>> Co-author of "The .NET Developer's Guide to Directory Services
>> Programming"
>> http://www.directoryprogramming.net
>> "Tony201" <Tony201@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:2C4151CD-7BE0-4DD4-8D29-B6503FADE28A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Hi Joe,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the reply. For this application, I have already setup
>> > delegation
>> > for SQL Server access so I have an SPN for my DNS/IIS App Pool
>> > Identity.
>> > In
>> > Active Directory under the delegation tab (for IIS App Pool >> > Identity),
>> > I
>> > have
>> > allowed delegation to the SQL Server service, however, I don't know >> > how
>> > to
>> > allow delegation to the Service Control Manager eg, for SQL Server,
>> > under
>> > the
>> > delegation tab, I click add and then type in the account that I >> > created
>> > the
>> > SQL Server SPN for. For allowing Service Control Manager, which user
>> > would
>> > I
>> > need to type in and then what service should I add? Alternatively, >> > how
>> > would
>> > I setup an SPN to allow delegation to Window Services?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tan
>> >
>> > "Joe Kaplan" wrote:
>> >
>> >> It should work although I've never tested this scenario.
>> >>
>> >> I'd suggest delegating the SPN for HOST/server to the IIS app pool
>> >> identity
>> >> (or the computer account if you use network service or system) to >> >> see
>> >> if
>> >> that works. If you are using the full DNS name to connect to the
>> >> remote
>> >> machine, use that SPN instead. You can also delegate both.
>> >>
>> >> If you are getting Kerberos authentication to the remote machine, >> >> then
>> >> the
>> >> constrained delegation should work here. You can check the >> >> security
>> >> event
>> >> logs on the remote machine to discover how you are authenticating. >> >> If
>> >> you
>> >> get NTLM, then it will not work.
>> >>
>> >> -- >> >> Joe Kaplan-MS MVP Directory Services Programming
>> >> Co-author of "The .NET Developer's Guide to Directory Services
>> >> Programming"
>> >> http://www.directoryprogramming.net
>> >> "Tony201" <Tony201@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:53E59DB5-B9AC-4D85-B65C-29667E94C725@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Can I use constrained delegation to alllow my web application to
>> >> > control
>> >> > services on a remote server? At the moment, I have code that when
>> >> > run
>> >> > on
>> >> > my
>> >> > local machine (XP - no double hop) is able to control services on
>> >> > remote
>> >> > servers. However, when I move the web application to an IIS >> >> > server,
>> >> > I
>> >> > get
>> >> > the
>> >> > error llisted below. I am guessing that I need to setup an SPN >> >> > but
>> >> > don't
>> >> > know
>> >> > how to do it for the Service Control Manager. Any ideas?
>> >> >
>> >> > [Win32Exception (0x80004005): Access is denied]
>> >> >
>> >> > [InvalidOperationException: Cannot open Service Control Manager >> >> > on
>> >> > computer
>> >> > 'serverxxxx'. This operation might require other privileges.]
>> >> >
>> >> > System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController.GetDataBaseHandleWithAccess(String
>> >> > machineName, Int32 serviceControlManaqerAccess) +35775
>> >> >
>> >> > System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController.GetDataBaseHandleWithEnumerateAccess(String
>> >> > machineName) +9
>> >> > >> >> > System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController.GetServicesOfType(String
>> >> > machineName, Int32 serviceType) +143
>> >> > System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController.GetServices(String
>> >> > machineName)
>> >> > +9
>> >> > AutonomyAdmin.test.test2() +400
>> >> > AutonomyAdmin.test.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) +137
>> >> > System.Web.Util.CalliHelper.EventArgFunctionCaller(IntPtr fp,
>> >> > Object
>> >> > o,
>> >> > Object t, EventArgs e) +14
>> >> > System.Web.Util.CalliEventHandlerDelegateProxy.Callback(Object
>> >> > sender,
>> >> > EventArgs e) +35
>> >> > System.Web.UI.Control.OnLoad(EventArgs e) +99
>> >> > System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +50
>> >> > System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain(Boolean
>> >> > includeStagesBeforeAsyncPoint, Boolean >> >> > includeStagesAfterAsyncPoint)
>> >> > +627
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>



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