Re: A Challenge
From: raghu (raghuleeway@yahoo.com)Date: 12/31/01
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From: raghuleeway@yahoo.com (raghu) Date: 31 Dec 2001 00:08:37 -0800
hey
Chet Uber <eidetic@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3C25CC1C.BCCB3BD5@mindspring.com>...
> Walter Roberson wrote:
> >
> > In article <3C243536.3F40B844@mindspring.com>,
> > Chet Uber <eidetic@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > :Actually only criminals get arrested.
> >
> > Chet, That's untrue even in USA.
>
> ...
>
> > In other words, there are many reasons why there is a large difference
> > between the *arrest rate* and the *conviction rate*. And in USA,
> > no person is a *criminal* until CONVICTED. It is VERY important
> > to remember that: the fact that a person is -arrested- does not mean
> > that they are -guilty- of anything, let alone that they are a
> > "criminal". (And as several high-profile cases across Canada have
> > shown over the last few years: the fact that someone has been
> > *convicted* of a serious crime does not always mean that they are *guilty*
> > of the crime.)
>
> You are right. I have personal experience with at least one of your
> examples. Thank you for clarifying that. Your points are well taken.
>
> The point I was trying to make is that being a hacker is not a crime.
> Violating Title 18 Section 1030 is a crime. I guess I just wish that the
> world would call people who illegally break into computers --
> CRIMINALS, and not hackers
>
> For example --
>
> An eighteen year old Boston man is a accused of digital criminal
> trespass, and charged under <insert appropriate statute> for breaking
> into the computers of the IRS.
>
> vs.
>
> An eighteen year old hacker from Boston broke into the IRS computers
> today.
>
> The issue is that you cannot use the term and always have it mean the
> same thing. It is ambiguous what you mean when you use hacker today.
>
> Drug Dealer == Criminal (unless you want to get into semantics, and then
> no Roche, Eli Lilly are not criminals; well there pricing is criminal
> ;)).
>
> Murderer == Criminal.
>
> Hacker IS NOT EQUAL Criminal.
>
> And please don't ask me to call criminal hackers -- crackers. Yes
> crackers are generally criminals, but are not red teams legal crackers??
>
> This whole thing has been rehashed over and over, and I am not going to
> change what sells newspapers et al ... My point or statement was made
> because the gentlemen said basically, hackers shouldn't show up cause
> the would get arrested.
>
> Call criminals what they are. Let's return hacker to the esteem that it
> had when it was first coined.
>
> just my 2 cents.
>
> eidetic
>
>
> --
>
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