Re: brown-out
- From: w_tom <w_tom1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:23:18 -0500
What does a snake oil salesman do? Demand that others prove
he is wrong.
First, Leythos is making the claims. Claims provided with
no supporting facts or numbers. A classic example of junk
science reasoning. Second, he challenges me to prove
otherwise what he never proved himself. We have a damning
fact he cannot dispute. Even the manufacturer does not claim
what Leythos claims. Just another reason why Leythos cannot
provide facts to support his myths. Even the manufacturer
will not say what Leythos claims.
This is no longer about the original post. This is the
repeated warning about what Leythos uses to promote urban
myths. Someday he may actually provide some numbers from
reputable sources. Still waiting.
Leythos promotes junk science reasoning. His only proof
being (inaccurate) anecdotal evidence (also noted by xpyttl)
that he cannot demonstrate with supporting facts. Leythos
will again reply - probably with the same anecdotal claims.
He does not like being exposed by technical facts he cannot
challenge nor provide. However, without those numerical
specifications from the manufacturer, well, just another
newsgroup where Leythos will not provide the facts and
numbers. He does this often. The lurker is cautioned about
tricks pioneered by snake oil salesman and propagandists - who
never provide the supporting facts and numbers. Leythos still
does not provide a single science fact or technical number to
prove his myths.
Returning to the original post - brownouts do not damage any
properly constructed electronics. Damage from brownouts is
also a common myth.
Those concerned with computer security should learn what all
high reliability factilies install. For example, a telephone
switching computer connected to overhead wires all over town
does not shutdown - to protect from thunderstorms. Even
before WWII, effective protection has always been about
proerply earthed 'whole house' protector. Where do they put
those protectors? Adjacent to the computer. Of course not.
The preferred location is about 50 meters before the switching
computer and zero meters from earth ground. Earthing defines
effective protection. This science is not found in anything
posted by Leythos. Don't fall for snake oil myths.
Protection is defined by earthing - as is standard in high
reliability facilities. A technique more effective and
significantly less expensive than plug-in protectors.
Leythos wrote:
> And you've posted nothing that show my experiences and assumptions are
> incorrect.
>
> I've got news for you, those larger houses don't use "Whole House"
> protection enough to protect everything inside the facilities.
>
> Again, and I'll ask again the following:
>
> "You've still not explained how the UPS didn't really protect the
> equipment, a PC that was on the protected side, while the PC on the
> unprotected side (same exact PC) was damaged."
>
> I'm waiting and expect that you'll never offer an explanation - based on
> your history you would have to say that I'm making this up, which I'm
> not, and which others have also experienced, so, explain it away if you
> can.
>
> Fact is, that a Quality UPS device will protect devices connected to
> their protected side, while that same device on the unprotected site has
> been damaged while connected to the same AC outlet as the UPS.
.
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