Re: OT question about small office server
From: E. (bellyup_at_the.bar)
Date: 10/13/05
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:12:00 +1000
John Hyde wrote:
> On 10/12/2005 2:05 PM, Leythos wrote:
>
>> In article <11kqh0adcud3r42@corp.supernews.com>, EJhyd@netscape.net
>> says...
>>
>>> The question then is how much of a "Server" is needed? My experience
>>> in my office is with peer networks. One of the consultants is trying
>>> to sell them a "Small Office Server" at a cost of about $6k, plus
>>> installation and support. I've been asked why it costs so much and I
>>> have no idea how to answer. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Small Single Processor server with Mirrored 120GB drives (larger if
>> needed), Xeon CPU 2.8ghz, 2GB RAM, 550W PSU, 1500VA UPS, Windows Small
>> Business Server 2003 Standard (Windows Server, Exchange, intra company
>> web site, Outlook 2003).... about $4K to get hardware and software and
>> the 5 licenses - $70 for each above 5.
In that config I would always use Dual XEON, to account for future
growth. Properly spec'd,built and maintained SBS boxes should last 5 years.
Badly built ones on the other hand.....
>>
> Well the consultant bid $2700 for hardware configured abnout as you
> said, $600 for five licenses, another $600 for 5 more because the are
> only in sets of five?
5, 10, 25
Plus 5 terminal server licenses for $650 (for VPN
> use)
This cannot be right. SBS 2003 has only 2 terminal services logons, and
they *must* be domain admins. The only way to do a terminal server
session as a user with SBS is buy another box, stick vanilla 2003 on it,
run terminal services. Or run a VPN and enable XP as a remote desktop
host.
> Plus Powervault tape backup $1250 and tapes (25) $500
>
Tapes.... <shudder> Expensive waste of time.
>> AV Software that does Server and Exchange Store and RBL/Spam, about
>> $600 for 10 licenses.
>
> Symantic 10 user AV $750
> GFI Anti spam $600
Use Grisoft for file servers/exchange servers. About 1/2 the price, 2
year license. (so effectively 1/4 the price) Plus it's not riddled which
features which don't actually work and make the system run at a crawl.
>> VPN's can be done using PPTP into an cheap appliance or into a real
>> firewall (or a Linux solution)... Email can be done remotely via OWA
>> (HTTPS / SSL based), file access remotely can be done via Remote
>> Desktop through the VPN.
>>
> Sonicwall $600
> Sonicwall support $125
> Sonicwall VPN Client licenses 5 for $350
>
> So tell me why not use a cheap appliance . . .?
Netgear FVS3*8, or IPCop on old PC, or both.
>
>> That's based on a simple Microsoft solution assuming that you want MS
>> and that you already have Windows XP Prof + SP2 on all workstations.
>>
> No, there's costs to upgrade and then about $6500 to setup, configure
> and migrate all the data, test all the parts.
>
> Yeesh!
For a full windoze domain transfer, including VPN, roaming profiles,
backup, exchange, all server apps, connecting all client workstations,
importing all data should be well under 30 hours (over about 2 weeks,
build, configure, patch the box, run it hard for at least a week before
taking onsite) maximum.
This assumes that existing desktops are in a reasonable state. Is he
charging $200ph or something?
If there is large amounts of development and testing for the internal
intranet this could be understandable. (except IIS sucks)
>
> I'm not sure what the alternatives are. They have some other bids from
> folks with high looser quotients.
>
> Anyway, thanks for all the thoughts.
>
> JH
The good news is a *properly* setup SBS2003 requires very little ongoing
maintenance. About the only time I need to visit my SBS sites are when
the logs I get daily indicate some error (rare), major SP updates (e.g.
SP1) or when a new user starts (most common), plus the generic surprise
backup/security audits.
The sites I manage with SBS set up by clueless IT "tech's" need weekly
handholding and kicking.
E.
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