Re: Avast or Zone Alarm using proxy server?

From: bassbag (bassbag_at_bodybags.dragon.wales)
Date: 02/16/05 

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:05:29 -0000

In article <42128a4f$0$973$44c9b20d@news2.asahi-net.or.jp>,
vogt@spamcop.net says...
> bassbag wrote:
> > In article <42112d12$0$977$44c9b20d@news2.asahi-net.or.jp>,
> > Much freeware here and seems a respected site.Howver that particualr
> > programme is loaded with windropper small.Using jottis online virus
>
> You don't just install a software because it "seems a respected site".
> This is just the problem. If you want to install freeware you check
> forums, usenet groups other places and look for people that are using it
> and confirm where they have it from. If you read the comments for that
> software you will see that it contains a trojan.
>
> Only because you see a "respected house" even in a "respected
> neigborhood" does not mean that there is nothing illegal or dangerous
> behind the doors. But with your PFW and AV software you just get
> careless because you think you are invulnerable against anything.
>
> > detect it).I know it works because the firewall stops the application.Yes
>
> No. You have seen a pop-up and you hope that the firewall did actually
> stopped it. You don't know what it actually did to your system. You
> don't know if it, while you were reading the pop-up, actually tunneled
> information out through Internet Explorer. You don't know what it
> actually modified on your system and where it might have changed
> something. You don't know if there is something waiting in the
> background for the moment when you even turn off your PFW because some
> other program you use does not work together with your PFW. You don't
> know. That is the point: your computer is compromised because of you
> downloading software. The pop-up makes you think that "you know" and
> that you prevented something bad. You prevented something, maybe, but
> you don't know anything. And that is the problem: you think you know
> although you don't. If, in a month from now, your ISP gives you an angry
> call and has disconnected you from its network because you were relaying
> spam mails you just wonder, why and how, because you PFW did stop the
> trojan from talking to the outside while in reality it may have made a
> few other changes for later...
>
> The outgoing pop-ups may be nice to learn but as part of security
> software people quickly depend on it and believe it completely. If you
> really want to know what is going over the wire, get a network sniffer.
> That gives you the truth about what is going on. If you just want to
> know what application does send data out, there are other non-intrusive
> programs available that log you with outgoing connections and you can
> learn that way...
>
> Gerald
>
> Gerald
>
Ahh rite....my car has one driver air bag ,my neighbours has 4.I havent
crashed yet nor has he ,so i dont know wehther theyll work or not.I
wonder why he forked out for a car with all those extra airbags when he
doesnt even know if theyll work.Of course if he leaves it in the garage
and dont go anywhere ,drive on roads that he doesnt know , he shouldnt
have to worry at all .By the way i have several sniffers.Its a bit late
looking at the sniffer log and seeing the horse after its bolted.But then
again ...how do i reallllyy know that my sniffers working correctly.It
seems rather strange you condemn an application firewall because of the
possible mess it might make on a system and then recommend a sniffer .I
guess if microsoft upgrade thier firewall to application filtering too in
the near future you will be in a right quandry.
me

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