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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:16:55 GMT

Smarty Jones < wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:13:33 GMT, Phyl
> <pab23@N0spamarama.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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>>James H. Hood wrote:
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>>>Phyl <pab23@N0spamarama.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:qCnzd.12878$Z47.8573@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Smarty Jones wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>>On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:16:15 GMT, Phyl
>>>>><pab23@N0spamarama.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>James H. Hood wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Harry Krause <piedtypecase@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:r7ednbx-UIXCP1HcRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>polar wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>Captain Infinity wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>It's been scientifically proven that English is the innate language
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>the human brain. No matter what language is taught to a child as it
>>>>>>>>>>grows up, that language has to "overlay" the English that the brain
>>>
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>born to think in. If a child is raised without hearing or reading
>>>
>>>any
>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>language at all his brain will still think in English. So it's no
>>>>>>>>>>surprise that offspring of immigrants eventually speak English.
>>>>>>>>>>Eventually, though it may take quite a bit of time, the entire
>>>>>>>>>>population of Earth will speak English.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now that's funny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What's even funnier is that there are racists who believe it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They, at least, are harmless. The people who insist that immigrant
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>>>children
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>>>>>>>have to be taught subjects in their native language for years aren't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ACTUALLY...it takes children 5-7 years to begin to learn subject matter
>>>>>>in English if it's not their native language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In other words, if a child enters school at age 5, and English is his
>>>>>>second language, he will not begin to learn subject matter in English
>>>>>>as well as his English-speaking classmates until he is ten to twelve
>>>>>>years old. That's middle school.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Complete crap. My father entered kindergarten speaking not a word of
>>>>>English and went on to become a very highly regarded scientist and
>>>>>engineer. To the day he died he could speak both his native language
>>>>>and English proficiently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's a shame that you didn't inherit his supposed ability to actually
>>>>comprehend what you have read, and what I've written.
>>>>
>>>>Read it again, and then ask me questions about what you still don't
>>>>understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>Here comes somebody with proof that shoots down your claim, and all you can
>>>do is hurl insults in return. Typical libdem.
>>
>>Heh.
>>
>>Three examples (there are many more):
>>
>>http://www.rockingham.k12.va.us/pkves/esl.htm
>>"Research shows that it takes at least 5-7 years for a student who has
>>had 2-3 years of schooling in their first language to perform in the
>>50th percentile on a typical standardized test given in English and it
>>takes at least 7-10 years for a student who has had no schooling in
>>their first language to perform in the 50th percentile."
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/4sg3e
>>"According to research, students in ESL-only programs, with ... level
>>norms of their native English-speaking peers ... come to the US take at
>>least 5-7 years to reach grade level norms."
>>
>>http://www.cal.org/caela/faqs.htm
>>"The amount of time it takes an adult to learn English varies from
>>person to person and depends on such factors as the individual's age,
>>educational background, level of literacy in the native language, and
>>opportunities to interact with native English speakers. However, it is
>>generally accepted that it takes from 5-7 years to go from not knowing
>>any English at all to being able to accomplish most communication tasks
>>including academic tasks (Collier, 1989)."
>>
>>Now the onus is on you to disprove my point.
>
>
> My father was the proof. Disprove him, Phyl.

I'm really Julia Roberts. Disprove me, Smarty.

P.S., how come you wimped out at Belmont?

-- 
Phyl
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, 
signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not 
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
--- President Dwight D. Eisenhower

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