Re: More Blathering

From: J. Random User (nospam_at_nospamnosiree.com)
Date: 09/26/03 

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:45:26 GMT

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:02:08 GMT, "J. Random User"
> <nospam@nospamnosiree.com> wrote:
>
> >"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@starfleet.gov> wrote in message
> >news:2h94nv4kr2k75avvooqorbks4iamfh0jmr@4ax.com...
> >> Perfect! That leaves you free to start your own business where nothing
> >> gets done since the employees are free to spend their day surfing the
web
> >> and chatting.
> >
> >Nope, but they'd definitely be allowed to do whatever they like as
regards
> >dress, hours, and surfing, *so long as they get their work done well and
> >on time*. I never said I spent my days surfing the web and chatting.
>
> Then you are doomed from the start. Paying people who aren't productive
is
> a losing proposition.
>
> Yeah, yeah, you're going to say you get your work done and done well...
> Fine, then you can go home and not be paid for the remainder of the day.
> It's not your time, it belongs to your employer.

It was once the culture of most companies I've worked for to allow software
engineers some perqs besides the money they were paid -- personal phone
calls,
use of the web, etc. Not unlimited, no, but some of that seemed to part of
the
deal. Companies allowed it because good programmers were hard to get,
and, well, they were just "those weird programmer guys" as far as lots of
companies
were concerned.

Times have changed. I don't approve. I shall continue to act as if they
haven't,
because I feel that way of doing business is the "right" way.

In my ideal (dream) world, companies do indeed owe their employees more
freedom to run their schedule at work, while getting paid for it, as long as
they're
getting their work done, as I have stated. The bigger and richer and more
powerful
a company is, the more they ought to be required to give to their employees.
Sure, laugh, but I believe that. A big corporation is NOT a person, and
they've
grown to be so large that the usual respect afforded a person or a small
business
owner ought NOT apply.

> Apparently Nike thought your ethics are harmful to their business. Most
> businesses do in similar circumstances.

Looks like they did.

> >> And you take full responsibility for your posting and all that
followed...
> >> but you're a victim... hmmm.
> >
> >Life is full of interesting paradoxes, my boy.
>
> It even more full of whiners.

Ah, I see... one who's idea of where their responsibility lies differs from
yours
is, therefore, a whiner? It's all a matter of degree.

I don't believe that the way business gets done is the best way. And I'll
say so.
If you can't see it as only a difference of opinion, but think I'm violating
some
basic moral standards -- that I'm actually stealing from a company just as
well
as if I'd robbed a bank -- then we'll never agree.

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