Re: May America lose the Iraq war
From: Keith R. Williams (krw@attglobal.net)
Date: 03/23/03
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From: Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:25:40 -0500
In article <3E7CDC10.7A23248C@ev1.net>, richmond@ev1.net says...
> "Keith R. Williams" wrote:
> >
> > In article <b5e1je$2jul$1@jeeves.eng.abbnm.com>, peter@abbnm.com
> > says...
> > > Iain McClatchie wrote:
> > > > Bill> Yeah, right. Any pilots out there care to comment
> > > > Bill> on why an aircraft couldn't sustain the same speed
> > > > Bill> in a dive without breaking up that it
> > > > Bill> could on the level?
> > > >
> > > > A quick google didn't find it, but I think there was an incident with a
> > > > major airliner over the great lakes that went into a dive and actually went
> > > > transonic briefly... enough to freeze the controls. IIRC, the pilot
> > > > deployed the landing gear, which slowed the thing enough to pull out of the
> > > > dive.
> > >
> > > I've been looking for that story too, the one I heard is that it
> > > was a 707, and that recovery involved in excess of 6 Gs, and the
> > > plane was totalled (flyable, but the airframe was taken way past
> > > its stress limits).
> >
> IIRC, it was a 727. There was a segment on a TV news magazine show
> a decade or more ago about this. IIRC, the leading edge flap on one
> wing deployed suddenly in the middle of flight. The plane did a
> barrel roll and then did a straight down dive... The plane was 7 miles
> hight (35K feet approximately). The pilot tried several things first
> and finally deployed the landing gear as a way to slow down the
> dive so he would have the strength to operate the controls and pull
> out. The plane had dived for 5 miles.
Now we're talking about hearsay upon hearsay. I gave the site to
go look up the particular accident so we could discuss it.
You've now brought in more disconnected information (sounds like
the 737 Pittsburgh accident to me).
> Many passengers had muscle rips down through their bodies as a
> result of the excessive G forces involved. I am *not* sure if
> all the lawsuits are settled yet.
Fine. Let's talk about *specifics*. You're damning the whole
industry on hearsay.
> The whole thing was blamed on "pilot error". This ruined the
> pilot's life...I think he finally had to move to South America.
> IMHO that is a shame...he actually saved the life of all those
> on that plane, and what thanks did he get???
Which accident! Come on!
-- Keith
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