Re: Does FTP still send cleartext passwords?

From: Alun Jones (alun@texis.com)
Date: 03/07/03


From: alun@texis.com (Alun Jones)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 15:25:21 GMT

In article <567f0a34.0303070053.a1cddfd@posting.google.com>,
michael.owen@hushmail.com (Mike) wrote:
>Standard FTP implementations are completely unencrypted. The RFC does
>not mention encryption.

"The" RFC? How about RFC 2228, on which the FTP over SSL / TLS draft is
based? Given the large number of existing implementations of FTP over SSL /
TLS, is there any doubt that the draft will become RFC when the IETF finally
moves itself? The draft's author has made a formal request for publication,
which has so far languished in the IETF's internal gears.

>Thus the quote "FTP is still totally
>unencrypted" is accurate. People can write SSL-enabled versions of it,
>but if the encryption isn't part of the FTP rfc, then the protocol
>ain't encrypted. This doesn't mean your server isn't a good idea, just
>that its functionality is not standard.

Are we talking "documented IETF RFC standard", or "destined to be an RFC, and
already so widely implemented that it is a de-facto standard"?

>Just out of curiosity, does your server do anything that an SSH server
>and SFTP bits don't do?

Sure. It acts like an FTP server. It does everything that an FTP server
already does, in a way that FTP users are already familiar with. SFTP is an
entirely new protocol, and doesn't behave the same way. I'm not suggesting
that SFTP is a bad protocol, just that (despite its confusing name), it isn't
based on FTP.

Alun.
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