Re: Newsgroup filtering with host server software

Moe Trin wrote, On 27/12/07 20:00:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.firewalls, in article
<13n7agcfrf3ru0a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Marshall Price wrote:

Flash Gordon wrote:

Chilly8 wrote, On 26/12/07 22:55:

"Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

Victek wrote:

You're correct that Windows Live Mail has poor filtering capability,
but it's good for Hotmail which is my main reason for using it. I
some other NG readers though, such as Gravity.

Never saw a reason/need for Hotmail. Any mail from a hotmail account
is assumed to be spam as no one would be using it for business

If they are on the road they might. Someone would almost certainly
use a Hotmail account, if they are away on a business trip to get
thier Email. One would just simply set the forwarding on their work
Email account to forward everything to their hotmail account, then
they can pick up their Email while they are on the road.

Ignore the troll - it imagines that every business operates as it does
in a single user account at home. Maybe if the troll read the rest of
the sentence that got clipped by someone, where I wrote:

]]]] at work we simply block access to the IP ranges used by Hotmail
]]]] (and yahoo, and gmail, and others).

it might understand hotmail, et.al. just isn't an option. As for
"forwarding everything", that's even against US Federal law in some
cases - but in the trolls imaginary world, that's irrelevant.

In my case I can be behind another companies firewall and that other company may well block access to hotmail et.al. but *might* be prepared to poke a hole to let me access my companies system.

No, in a sensible company they will be provided with some method of
accessing their company email account if they are expected to read it.

Depends on how the company has set up remote access.

There are many ways to do it and I did not specify which should be used.

For example by being provided with company WebMail access or a
Blackberry. There are many other solutions that do not rely on
relaying email to an external email account.

"company WebMail access"???

Yes, my employer provides me with a web portal to the company email system, i.e. company webmail. I know that both the Domino Server from IBM and Exchange from MS can provide this. Of course, it should be done over SSL and there should (IMHO) be a reverse proxy in front of the server.

I travel a lot running my online radio station, and I use hotmail,
when I am on the road, to get my Email. When you are travelling, it
is the most convenient way to keep in touch.

You really should talk to your "company engineers" and if this is all
they can offer, fire them and get someone who can _spell_ IP.

He probably wants ones who can spell IT as well ;-)

Personally I would find it the *least* convenient method. However my
company provides webmail for when I can't use my company notebook and
other methods for when I can. The same with my personal email.

Personal email isn't the company's problem.

Agreed. I should have pointed out that I run my own email server and set up my own webmail access to my email just as I suggest can be done by a company.

As far as accessing the
company services, if it's important that you be able to do so ACCORDING
TO THE COMPANY, then there are alternatives.

Agreed, and the point of my post.

If the company IT staff
are not aware/capable, there are numerous IT consultant companies who
would be glad to offer advice. If the company doesn't feel like spending
the coin to get that secure capability, they probably shouldn't be using
the Internet for business activities. Allowing Joe User (or more likely,
Joe User's son/daughter because Joe has trouble just using a web browser)
to set up remote access on his work desktop is the height of folly.

Fortunately I am not "Joe User" but someone who helps out our undermanned IT department and probably know more about making *my* machines secure than our IT department. I agree with your points though.

It sounds to me as if we're mixing up outgoing and incoming mail. I get
most of my incoming e-mail via Yahoo (using YPOPs!, which emulates POP3
on a localhost port), or through a free Fastmail account (using IMAP),

My comments can be applied equally well to both incomming and outgoing email.

What you do with your personal mail is your personal decision. Company
mail should not be accessible from non-company servers. If you need

Agreed. I accept that in transit the email is not secure, but once it arrive at a company I am doing business I expect it to stay on their servers (well, maybe get pushed over a mobile phone network to someone's Blackberry).

access from "outside", you should be using an SSL service requiring both
dedicated hard/software and a "password" (that isn't "remembered" by
some application).

<snip>

I would not always go that far. That is our *main* method of external access to email, but I can use webmail when there is no other method.
--
Flash Gordon
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