Re: BIG PROBLEM - with firewalls sudden reboot
- From: "jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx" <jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 03 Aug 2007 00:38:27 GMT
a wrote:
On 02 Aug 2007 12:14:42 GMT, "jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx"
<jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
a wrote:reboots >>
I have an adsl modem/router (usRobotics 9112)
When surfing the web, very often it happens Windows instantly
- it happens on the very same sites,
- it happens every 4-5 sites, expecially "heavy" sites
with javascript, flash, activex...
- the sites I visit are secure, because they are istitutional,
magazines sites...).
- I have no javascript, flash, activex, animation, audio....
activated, nothing at all.
- If I go with an old 56 kb analogic modem all is ok
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I am with Windows98se
I notice that if I disabled my software firewall Norton 2002
there is no problem.
So I was sure it was a Norton 2002 firewall problem,
and tried six (=6) other firewalls
(OutPost, panda, zoneAlarm, atguard....)
but always had the problem,
so I don't think it is a software firewall problem.
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What to do?
I phoned Robotics and they said it is not a modem problem.
you say it's ok with the 56k (dial up).
USB DSL/ADSL modems do have an issue, i've often heard of people
with them losing their net connection and restarting windows.. It
may help to reinstall its drivers. You could bypass the thing by
using a 'home router' instead of the usb dsl modem.
I don't know if usb cable modems that that issue. But yours is ADSL,
that's common.
A google shows that the router you mentioned is a USB or Ethernet
router/modem. You didn't say that.
You could stick an ethernet PCI card in your computer, and not use
the USB aspect of your router, maybe even uninstall the usb
router/modem drivers.
It's unfortunate that unlike win xp. Win98SE doesn't come with a
firewall. But if you use Volker's program
http://www.dingens.org/index.html.en you won't need a firewall
Either way, you won't be saved from a browser getting exploited.
Try the Opera browser
I tried the USb way, and because it requires driver I also tried with
old and new drivers, always the same problem
I went back to the Ethernet way (that is my preferred choise because
faster)
and tried the plug in the motherboard VIA RIINE II
and tried the plug in PCI ethernet card (D-Link DFE 538 tx),
always the same problem
I applied the 'ndis' fix called 243199itn8.exe from Microsoft,
alway the same problem
I tried with IE 5.0 5.5 6.0 and firefox 2.0
and honestly I don't want to install Opera
important note:
the same modem/router
on my second PC (AMD 500, while the first is Pentium 1600)
with the same windows98se
via USB and via Ethernet (on board) all is ok
with IE 6.0 (little sub version differences:
6.0.02800 on second PC and 6.00.2600.0000 on first PC)
with the same firewall software
you could try what volker says here about unbinding services. Then you
can uninstall your firewall
so the problem is on my first machine,
but where?
SURELY, absolutely SURELY, I have NO virus in it
Alot of problems aren't viruses, they can be bugs, one piece of
software clashes with another.
Another problem can be malware that even when removed, actually messes
up windows with it.
I have seen some malware that was probably broken, since it stopped the
computer accessing the internet. (in retrospect, a command to reset
the tcp/ip stack might've fixed it, or maybe a program, liek winsock
fix or lsp fix. I've never tried them, it was win98) But that's just an
example of it messing with windows.
Another example is some malware I saw, where the user, and a techie
they hired, had perhaps made some attempt to remove it, but it had
taken some of windows with it. I got installshield errors when
installing some software - happened to be a wireless modem driver. I
tried reinstalling the installshield engine, as some sites suggested. I
then discovered that a trusted piece of software gave an error when
installing - that not normal at all. So I knew I really had to either
do a win xp reinstall or a win xp repair. It's a standard diagnosis and
treatment!
There was a version of the ZoneAlarm firewall, which had a bug and
actually wouldn't uninstall. Users of ZA were yelling that it was worse
than any virus. THey may have released some long manual instructions
for removing it. But some reinstalled windows because of it.
There are endless examples, not necessarily internet related, where win
xp gets messed up. Alot of that could be avoided if running in a LUA -
limited user account, rather than an administrative account. That is
not possible in Win 98, AFAIK. Win98 will get messed up just as win
xp can.
I think with win98, when you 'reinstall', it installs it over the
existing installation. It doesn't delete the original. So effectively,
it's like a win xp repair. (A win xp reinstall , i think, forces you to
delete the original. If you were running win xp, i'd suggest the win xp
repair option)
You may still want to back up your data first.
reinstalling win98 is a classic, just like repairing win xp, and even
reinstalling win xp !
What is a 'home router' ?
oh it's just some strange term i've seen used here sometimes. The
problem is that the box you have that some refer to as a 'home router',
is actually many things. NAT Router is maybe a more appropriate term
people here use. It does Routing, NAT, has a DHCP Server in it, has a
(network) Switch in it, it has a modem in it. I think those ports on
it are really ports of a network switch, not of the router. The routing
it does is very minor. That NAT device thing typically only has 2
'arms', or networks rather. So doesn't have much of a decision to make.
(If it comes from the WAN side it's gonna be routed to the LAN side,
and vice versa!). It's still routing though.. And I think most use a
routing table.
I think, in industry, when people think of routers, they think of ones
like Cisco make, and those things have an ip on each port (a proper one
for the port, not like the one sent via DHCP to a comp connected to the
port). A few ports on the router.
Maybe before these mass market devices (could call 'em NAT Routers)
were produced for everybody, all routers did have that. It was the
classical router. So even if they don't think 'cisco', they still think
of routers like that. Not to say the NAT device isn't a router. But not
only does it do other things.. it's routing is so minimal. It's like..
Crocodile dundee when he says "thats not a knife. *this* is a knife!" I
guess everybody wants to be like mick dundee!
Most people don't give a damn about terminology. It's a problem.
Even serious manufacturers can obfuscate things. One, maybe Cisco,
found that their bridges weren't selling well 'cos they were busy
marketting their routers by telling people not to buy bridges. So when
they wanted to sell their bridges, they renamed them switches. Their
switches are faster than their bridges because they were produced a bit
later, but functionally they do the same thing. Though Cisco material
does try to make some strange distinctions.
People have an agenda and don't care for terminology.. Even technical
people sometimes leave terms uncorrected if they know what is meant,
even if they know what was written is wrong - fine if the person
listening doesn't care. But the main culprits are marketting. It's a
big nuisance.
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