Re: Win xp sp2 firewall

Sebastian Gottschalk wrote:
Mr. Arnold wrote:


So already the basic idea of "application control" is completely
nonsense.

You tell it to someone that doesn't know. But the fact is that at least some kind or warning flag is raised to them.


If the malware adds itself to the list of trusted applications in a PFW,
where exactly is the warning flag?

So what? That's a know issue, but it's better than nothing at all, which the XP FW has none of it.


While in the meantime, the XP FW is doing nothing.


Since you can't do anything meaningful, it's rather reasonable to not waste
code (and therefore complexity) on useless trials.

That's just your opinion and it's a dime a dozen.


And MS and its PFW somehow knows the intent and knows the correct decision to make?

No. And because of this, Windows-Firewall is behaving like designed and
documented.

A designed and documented program doesn't mean a thing, when the over all design concepts of the XP FW as a program/PFW doesn't fit the bill in some areas.


Since the contrary can't find any such bill at all, where exactly is the
problem?

That the XP FW has missed the boat is the problem. It's my view point of it and not yours. And I have considered what you have said above to be nonsense.



If someone doesn't know what's happening, then they don't know prompt or no prompt, period. But again, don't you PFW start doing something in setting rules that I don't know about. I want to be informed about what you're doing or have a chance of being informed, if that's enabled.

The XP FW has none of it, period.


Wrong again. It writes everything to a log file and sends notification to
the policy manager as well as the IpHelper-API.

But it's not in the user's face. Hell most users that are using the XP FW don't know about it and don't have a clue about it. Hell, they don't even know how to harden the XP O/S to attack, go look at the event logs or anything else for that matter.


BTW, the one PFW/personal packet filter I do use, which is on my laptop and is enabled when it's not on my network, has Application Control disabled, because I absolutely know how to go and look for myself as to what's running on them and happening with my machines, with the proper tools.


We already had the discussion of disabled vs. deactivated. You're sure that
all the hooks are removed and the associated code is not loaded?

What has this have to do with anything? What does this have to do with unknown applications/programs running on my machines, which the point is I don't need application control?

I'll tell you it's more nonsense talk from you that doesn't apply to anything.
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