Re: firewall with parental control filtering needed for usenet, p2p and web

From: abspc (l_at_l.com)
Date: 01/18/05 

Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:37:12 -0800

Leythos wrote:
> In article <20050118120635.473$rf@news.newsreader.com>, l@l.com says...
> [snip[
>
>>Yeah, a lot of times I get vauge and don't really say everything I
>>should, I always forget or just with some things, don't bring them up
>>and I don't communicate fully, so I'm sorry.
>>
>>What I know of for usenet is that I'm not wanting posts filtered, but
>>groups. Software does that, like Norton, however only on each pc and I
>>hope for a hardware device that could. I would hope to be able to put in
>>a keyword and say erotica, then no newsgroup with the name erotica would
>>work. It would be blocked. Same for pictures, sex, xxx and possibly a
>>couple other keywords.
>
>
> Ok, since those things can appear in ANY group, you are specifically
> asking for posting level content filtering. Since this group could have
> the word "Erotica" in it, in the posting you just made as an example,
> then you have to filter based on post content.
>
> If you could learn to separate the two ideas - Groups contain POSTS,
> POSTS contain objectionable content.
>
> So, we're back to blocking posts that contain content that meets your
> definitions - not gonna happen on anything I know of or have read about.
>
>
>>Then I would specifically block port 8000, 9000,
>>3128, 23 and 25. That is at least how I have Norton set up currently on
>
>
> Port blocking is something that even simple NAT boxes can do. All
> firewalls can do port blocking.
>
>
>>the pc I am using now, I have it set to block keywords like xxx, erotica
>>and the ones it came preset for. I just don't have it set for port
>>blocking cus the firewall it disabled as it was causing some issues when
>>I first installed it. Since that time I installed it in vmware to do
>>some testing and figured out how to actually use it for the firewall
>>port blocking. Worked great.
>
>
> Now you're talking about content filtering again - HTTP content/url
> filtering. Many of the commercial firewall products can do lookups of
> the IP/URL and block access based on the content categories you've
> configured.
>
>
>>The filtering is for my family. I'm not married, but am staying with my
>>parents untill I can find a job again and then have my own place. I just
>>lost my job at Best Buy as they laid off all the seasonal help, :(
>
>
> So, you want to filter for the family - if they are adults and
> reasonable age kids, drop the idea of Usenet filtering (since it's not
> practical - esp when you're out of a job) and go with simple filtering
> ideas and then EDUCATE the users.
>
>
>>Umm, I know that hardware routers/appliances have some sort of logs,
>>reporting, bandwidth control or measurement type features, some even do
>>web filtering. None that I've seen would do usenet filtering on port
>>119. So that's where software comes in. I do have currently a Belkin
>>802.11G that does web filtering via cerberian, www.cerberian.com where
>>you select from 56 categories and so on. It's good and I know them in
>>fact. But this router has no usenet filtering and when trying to block
>>specific ports it locks up and freezes everytime.
>
>
> That's about as good as it gets - short of running your own Usenet
> server.
>
>
>>I just called Watchgaurd and they had to call me back. The lady didn't
>>know what usenet was. This seems to be the norm when talking to all of
>>these companies, no one knows what newsgroups are. She said she'd have
>>the Washington Sales engineer call me back and he knows a lot more then
>>she does.
>
>
> Yea, the WatchGuard units - I have a bunch of them - will not do the
> NNTP filtering you want, not even close.
>
>
>>Well anyway, Norton does filter usenet, but that's software. If there is
>>no appliance that can filter ports based on keywords or what have you,
>>then I guess I would have to rely on software as best as software can do.
>
>
> Nope, nothing that I know of or have even heard of. Just face it, it's
> not worth the effort to do something that you should be able to manage
> yourself.
>
> [snip]
>
>>I do realise about self control and so on and I've been seeing a
>>Christian therapist for several months, mostly about depression, but I
>>also brought up that sometimes I would look at porn and we talk about
>>that too. Being a christian myself it's sad for me that I look at it. So
>
>
> Dude, this is where the real issue lies - your own beliefs and lack of
> control, not in the filtering. Face it, Porn has been around for
> thousands of years and we're all still here. Porn, can take many forms -
> some consider the Tampon Ad's on TV to be Porn, some consider pictures
> of Naked women in Medical Books to be Porn, some consider pictures
> uploaded to alt.binaries.sex..... to be porn. Being Christian and
> viewing "porn" has nothing to do with being less Christian (or any other
> religion for that matter). A certain amount of Porn is acceptable to
> most, in excess it's a condition that should be talked about with a
> therapist - not a religious one, a real clinical therapist.
>
>
>>I'm just trying to do some research on possible working solutions that
>>could help in hardware/software router or something. Mostly I'm
>>interested in hardware as I can then set it up and lock it in a room, I
>>can't do that with a pc because a pc is to big and I'd need to look at
>>it sometimes. But a pc router is an option.
>
>
> No, you're trying to solve your inability to control your own desires,
> and even if you were to get a system that could do it, as long as you
> know how to configure it you will let yourself access it - face it, this
> is a self control issue that hardware is NOT going to fix for you.
>
> [snip]
>
>>Anyhow that's my entire whole story and I truly am sorry for not posting
>>that as my first post. I hope people can see past that now and forgive me.
>
>
> What would have helped is to know the reasons behind it, and as I
> suspected, it has nothing to do with the family or anyone else, it's
> about your inability to maintain self control and a positive image of
> yourself. Just accept that some porn is fine and that you won't go to
> hell for viewing it as long as the porn you are viewing is not illegal
> or of people being abused/exploited against their will.
>

I specifically am talking about blocking groups not posts. the group
with the name xxx or whatever would be blocked. like for this group if i
said in the filter to block firewall then no one would be able to access
this newsgroup or anyother newsgroup with the name firewall in it.
norton does this as do many other softwares. It was not I who got
confused about groups copntaining posts or posts containing objectional
content. i specifically said group names, that's obvious. i never
mentioned posts, but the group itself.

anyway i would prefer not to discuss things other then firewalls
hardware or software please. it is obvious nothing will do usenet like i
want so ok. i know this now. don't need to go on about it.

I have posted as a new post another question. i found something out
about my belkin router and now i would like to get a new router, so i
posted another new post asking for what kind of home based router would
be good and cheap for home broadband use that has content filtering for
web sites and some other features. i don't mean cheap as in $50, but
just not thousands. So if possible I hope people would be willing to
look over my new post and offer some suggestions. I'm more open now then
i was before now that I know usenet can't happen. So I'm willing to
listen more and be more open.

Thanks guys.

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