Re: The best firewall is?

From: Mike (nospam_at_notherematey.com)
Date: 06/15/04 

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:02:42 +0100

"Donald McDaniel" <orthocrossNOSPAMPLEASE@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
news:10csghapc3mjg89@corp.supernews.com...
> "Mike" <mike@notherematey.com> wrote in message
> news:cal0vs$gc5$1@thorium.cix.co.uk
> > "Donald McDaniel" <orthocrossNOSPAMPLEASE@cablespeed.com> wrote in
> > message news:10cr8ccgugvtm1a@corp.supernews.com...
> >> "Lars M. Hansen" <badnews@hansenonline.net> wrote in message
> >> news:st1rc05f9qoug5553e91quiskj4mvp1l7m@4ax.com
> >>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:11:14 -0700, Donald McDaniel spoketh
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If you people are so enamored with commercial software, WHY are you
> >>>> not RECOMMENDING it, instead of "free" software?
> >>>
> >>> What difference does it make? The OP already has a "commercial"
> >>> software firewall, and he was looking for a replacement that were
> >>> less taxing on his system. The answer to that question is not going
> >>> to be McAfee, because that is just as big and bulky, if not more.
> >>>
> >>> Considering the fact that the free options, such as Kerio, Outpost,
> >>> Tiny, and ZoneAlarm are all good options, (just as good firewalls as
> >>> the commercial options), why not recommend the free ones? Should one
> >>> not recommend something because it's cheap or free?
> >>>
> >>> You mentioned earlier that ZAP has some features that the free
> >>> version does have, such as pop-up blockers and content blocking.
> >>> Well, not everyone needs or wants that, so why pay for ZAP if the
> >>> freeware solution does the job? Do you think everyone has a rich
> >>> dad to pay for everything??
> >>>
> >>> Lars M. Hansen
> >>> http://www.hansenonline.net
> >>> (replace 'badnews' with 'news' in e-mail address)
> >>
> >> I live on a fixed income, yet even I am able to afford to pay for my
> >> firewall software. The fact is, the millions of addictive users of
> >> so-called "free" software, are in reality just greedy. The people
> >> who write "free" software would rather you PAID for their software.
> >> I know of very few developers who write "free" software for
> >> un-self-serving reasons. Which only proves to me that the users of
> >> so-called "free" software, who would rather use the "free" software
> >> instead of paying for it, are greedy. An honest man would be willing
> >> to pay for the services he receives. The millions of users of
> >> "free" software wouldn't pay for the gum they chewed, if they didn't
> >> have to. As far as I am concerned, they are no better than thieves.
> >> In fact, they are WORSE than thieves, because they are STEALING what
> >> is being offered freely to them.
> >>
> >> By the way, anyone without content filtering in this day and age
> >> deserves the nasties he is bound to get. And what's the difference
> >> in the load to system resources by using one all-in-one software
> >> product, and using two or more stand-alone products to accomplish
> >> what a single all-in-one product can accomplish with greater ease of
> >> use?
> >>
> >> Everytime I have used so-called "free" software, I have been badly
> >> disappointed. Much of the "free" software floating around on the
> >> Internet is written by amateurs, with little sense of proper design
> >> concepts. Much of Linux is like that, written by amateurs, and
> >> their lack of professional design concepts is reflected in the apps
> >> they write. Clunky and buggy. That pretty much defines Linux apps
> >> (and most "free" software in general).
> >
> > Now you are just being provocative. You are showing your complete
> > ignorance of open source and blaming your inability to understand how
> > to operate Linux apps properly on the programmers. Sure Linux apps
> > are not point and clicky and that can confuse the uninitiated but by
> > no stretch of even your vivid imagination can they be described as
> > clunky.
> >
> > Once again to prove you completely and utterly wrong, the Watchguard
> > Firebox range of firewalls runs a hardend *nux and uses Iptables
> > which Watchguard fund the development of.. The latest range of Dlink
> > DSL routers like the DSL-604T all run a version of Linux on compact
> > flash.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with Linux other than your inability to
> > understand how to use it.
> >
> > If you really feel that strongly about not using free software, I
> > suggest you stop using the internet.
>
> The Internet is NOT "free" (unless you use a so-called "free" ISP -- and
> even then it is not "free". Someone, somewhere along the line pays for
the
> services you receive, whether it is you paying for an ISP, or the
so-called
> "free" ISPs themselves, or the taxpayers, through our taxes.

Even with a Free ISP in the UK at least, one pays for the calls and a
percentage of the call charge is credited to the ISP running the line.

> Someone pays for the miles of cable, or the satellites used to route the
> internation traffic.
>
> I don't have "free" access to the Internet. I pay for it, just as I pay
for
> the software I need to protect me from the hackers on the so-called "free"
> Internet.
>
> The only people I know of who use the Internet for "free" are hackers.
Even
> then, the service they steal from you and I is not "free", since you or I
> payed for it before they stole it.

You really do need to pay attention. I can see why you have problems with
Linux as reading and absorbing information is really not your forte.

 I pay for my DSL Internet access just like everyone else.
Your beef was about free open source software being badly written and
clunky.
I have pointed out to you before that the Internet is made up of many
applications such as Sendmail, Apache, Procmail and Linux which are all Open
source. Therefore if you hate free software so much you should stay off the
Internet.

>
> If you are a hacker, you most probably are a thief -- as much a thief as
the
> low-lives who break into houses and steal televisions

You are Tracker and I claim my 500 pounds. If you are stupid and rich enough
to pay for something out of principle when a free alternative is available,
then you can afford to pay me :-)

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