Re: What would you tell someone new to computers in relation to how to securing it

From: NeoSadist (neosad1st_at_charter.net)
Date: 02/13/04 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:51:11 -0700

Leythos wrote:

> In article <102p8jmj7t7f33c@corp.supernews.com>, neosad1st@charter.net
> says...
> [snip]
>> Read posts before and other replies before replying to them.
>> BTW, if it's an opinion type of question, reply to the original poster,
>> not
>> some other person's response. That's why I'm reminding you to do the
>> same.
>
> You know, I'm sure that Lars and others took this as my supporting what
> Lars wrote. I respect his options a great deal and I support his
> positions all the time.
>
> What I wrote was to expand on his, noting more - I could not see my
> typing what he wrote again, and having two postings of the same thing
> can provide the additional benefit of enforcing the need for the
> methods.

Well sorry but I got angry because I'm sick of people posting replies to
other replies to elaborate on them rather than going with what is said.

>
> And, in case you didn't know it, a Router does not have to provide NAT
> as you seem to understand it.

NAT is network address translation. It's not even a firewall IMO, although
it is considered one. All it does is translate and route information from
the outside to the LAN, all the while hiding the private IP's it's routing
to. NAT MUST take place for traffic to work properly behind it, or else a
router without NAT might as well be called a switch or a hub.

>
> Also, I specifically said not to use NIS, and I stand by it - just
> because NIS also contains NAV does not me that one should not use NAV.

Well I don't care if you said not to use NIS. I was only reminding you that
NIS = NAV + NPF. For windows firewalls I go with what PCMagazine last
rated them all at. Either NIS or ZAP is a good choice, but NIS would be
one-stop shopping for NPF and NAV.

> I
> strongly encourage people to use NAV while not spending the money to
> purchase NPF or the NIS package. I've seen to many installations of NPF
> (which is packaged with NIS) that break users basic functionality, that
> I only recommend NAV. If someone wants a PF then they should run Zone
> Alarm or Tiny or Kerio.

And I've seen plenty of people have problems with the others. But it's a
windows firewall -- at best it's half-effective because windows won't let
the firewall get deeply encorporated with the other stuff. Windows
firewalls, due to being installed on windows, can still be subject to brute
force attacks and such that windows is vulnerable to. That is one of the
main reasons I went with Linux, but then again everyone's choice of OS is
their own choice.

>
> 

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