Re: Dialup Security: Is this a known problem?

From: Gerry O (dysart_at_eircom.net)
Date: 12/28/03


Date: 27 Dec 2003 22:35:34 -0800

Whatever you do, don't use ad-aware, it acts like a trojan and
installs spyware, that was the reason they were kicked out of COAST
(Consortium of Anti-Spyware Technology Vendors) On their website they
say that they left but I heard that they were warned about using
spyware in their product and they continue to use it.

Gerry

NeoSadist <neosad1st@charter.net> wrote in message news:<vusj633klqg7a@corp.supernews.com>...
> sponge wrote:
>
> > On 27 Dec 2003 20:20:49 GMT, jbwtsn03@aol.com (Jbwtsn03) wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bad news. NIS is crap.
>
> 1) I think that all windows and/or personal firewalls pale in comparison to
> IPTables, so I think you should re-think your response.
> 2) Even if this is so, then why do all the security magazines keep rating
> Norton high and McAfee low? Come on, I doubt they'd have reason to lie.
> Even PC Magazine rated NIS and ZA at the top, with NIS taking the award.
> 3) Symantec has been in the security industry much longer also. Don't kid
> yourself.
>
> > McAfee's is better in many respects but you
> > might be better served by using discreet tools: A firewall (use
> > McAfee's, ZoneAlarm, or Kerio 2.1.5.
>
> (Uh, and even then, a firewall is only as good as its admin.) "Discrete
> tools"? Uh, what's discrete about a firewall and antivirus?
>
> > Use a HOSTS file
> > (http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt, and unZIP it into your
> > \Windows folder for Windows 95, 98, Me, or to your
> > \Windows\System32\Driver\etc folder for Windows NT, 2000, and XP).
>
> I do not recommend screwing around with that file, since it wasn't really
> meant for that.
>
> > The
> > third thing to do is use ANY browser and email program other than
> > Internet Explorer and Outlook.
>
> Uh, no, don't bail out on them just because you don't know how to use them.
> However, I will admit that there are better web clients and/or email
> clients out there. I use Konqueror and Kmail.
>
> > If you want more details visit my site
> > in my sig, below, which covers all this. A fourth to do is download
> > and run Ad-Aware and SpyBot (both, make sure to run their built-in
> > Update features after downloading, and scan your system. Make sure
> > you've allowed them to remove any flagged parasites.)
>
> Sad that one must do so to keep the windows OS safe. However, once someone
> learns where to look for such things, both in the registry and on the hard
> drive, those programs aren't necessary.
>
> >
> >
> > Nothing. Thst's common with AOL. You local AOL node is probably
> > throttling connections to a certain speed so divide bandwidth equally
> > among customers. Consider, also, that at this time of year, you have a
> > lot of people shopping online, a lot of kids home from college who
> > have to use mom or dad's AOL instead of their campus network
> > connection, etc.
>
> That, and AOL just sucks, both my opinion and that of most user-based
> surveys. Also, AOL claims to be "unhackable", but last time I heard they
> train their parrots to say this, then put them on the phone support lines.
>
> >
> >
> > Ok, so stick with that. AOL software is, well, pretty crappy.
>
> That, and some firewalls don't know how to work with AOL, since it's not
> over a standard adapter (i.e. not using the dialup adapter, but the custom
> aol adapter, which further makes AOL suck).
>
> > Frankly,
> > I think you'd be vastly better off with another ISP (besides
> > Earthlink).
>
> I agree.
>
> > Just make sure if you do use another ISP, not to install
> > any software they provide.
>
> Why not, if it's free? Also, why not, if they support it? I don't know if
> earthlink supports the software they provide, but I still suggest
> installing it (i.e. if it's firewall or antivirus, not the stupid "connect
> me" software).
>
> > If you go with a dial-up ISP, you can use
> > your operating systems "New Connection Wizard" to set everything up,
> > and you then start your browser or email program and do what you want.
> > If you get cable or DSL, you normally do not have to do anything to
> > connect - just make sure your firewall always runs at startup.
> >
> >>I'm sure that there's a program on my drive that allows him to see
> the desktop
> >>and do whatever he wants, and nothing I've used so far can find
> > anything wrong!
>
> Previous poster: are you smoking crack? I know that trojans can allow this,
> but until you know for sure, don't get all dramatic about stuff.
>
> >> When I discovered that the registry has new entries, ie in the "Run
> >> Services"
> >>key, he started hiding them elsewhere. Now I can't find a thing on
> my own, and
> >>I certainly can't afford an expert to look at it. I think the
> install will
> >>just get ruined again and I'll have wasted the money.
> >
> > Don't jump the gun here. A lot of weirdness is actually normal stuff
> > (unfortunately).
>
> Yep: windows isn't the most stable of the operating systems...
>
> > Look, download and run HiJackThis!
> > (http://tomcoyote.org/hjt) and post the results here or email them to
> > me and I'll analyze them, if you want. Although it's possible you've
> > been owned, what I'm seeing here actually seems pretty normal for AOL.
> > HiJackThis may find other potential threats as well.
> >
> > Sponge
> > Sponge's Secure Solutions
> > www.geocities.com/yosponge
> > My new email: yosponge2 att yahoo dott com



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