Re: Which Router for VPN and Webhosting

From: Eirik Seim (
Date: 09/20/03

Date: 20 Sep 2003 20:36:24 GMT

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:31:30 GMT, David wrote:
> It's hard to say. In either case it is simply a matter of whether the black
> hats find the vulnerabilities before the white hats do. Even with MS's piss
> poor reputation in regards to dealing with reported vulnerabilities, they do
> seem to get most of their holes patched before the exploits hit the net.

In most cases yes. I don't think they ever patched that IGMP problem
with Windows 98SE (and earlier). The problem is rather the amount of
patches. Once there is a patch that is a bit harder than usual to
install (like the MS-SQL hole exploited by the Slammer worm), it is
skipped and forgotten until networks start to go down.

> There are several security outfits looking for windows vulnerabilities right
> now because there is money to made in doing so.

Which is great! :)

> On the other hand I have seen a lot of open source vulnerabilities that are
> being discovered after the exploits show up. OpenSSH for example just fixed
> two holes one right after the other which it looks like were only discovered
> after several systems had reportedly been hacked. And this is not an obscure
> open source project.

There will always be bugs in complex software. Most of them are found
and fixed before an exploit is out, but yes I see your point. The sword
cuts both ways.

> There is a lot of open source stuff out there that is not getting audited.
> And there is a bunch of PHP and perl stuff for websites which is full of
> exploitable code. Take a look at many of the open source web application
> projects and you will probably find exploitable scripts and or SQL injection
> vulnerabilities.

Poorly written web applications will become even more of a problem in
the future. There is an infinite amount of bad programmers out there
who took a one-year "web programming" course[1], and keep making the
same mistakes instead of reusing mature code, and follow the recommended
guides for things like input checking[2].

- Eirik

1. And others, of course. A CS degree don't have to help, either.
2. The last case I reported was actually at my local MENSA website,
    which was kind of amusing in a way..

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