Re: Free Internet Access

From: LCS02 (mail2news-20030902-alt.test_at_anon.lcs.mit.edu)
Date: 09/02/03 

Date: 2 Sep 2003 03:28:37 -0000

In article <Xns93E9CC0CD1051n1pophotmailcom@130.133.1.4>
n1pop@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Tracker <"snailmail(remove/valid)222000"@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:3F532806.DA4700E8@yahoo.com:
>
> > I’m not a thief, but in order to check facts, you need to try [a
> > cancelled ISP account]. Do you buy shoes without trying them on?
>
> Bad analogy. In the scenario, you would return the shoes and then
> attempt to wear them.
>
> > I installed a backed up copy of Zone Alarm on one of my computers and
> > discovered it contained a Back Door named "Redwood Broker". I then
> > opened the Windows Registry and up popped an "SQL Server Directory"
> > and a number of Folders. By clicking on a number of these folders, up
> > pops a "Dial-Up Server Window", showing me my canceled e-mail
> > addresses and passwords.
>
> Simply because the settings remain someplace and were accessed by some
> rogue application doesn't necessarily mean the accounts were still
> active. But I'm curious why you would have a dial up server running.
> Do you show any evidence of incoming connections?
>
>
> > This got my curiosity in motion as to why
> > these items appeared, since no SQL Server was set-up by myself.
>
> I have found that installing applications that rely on a SQL database
> usually come with a SQL server to allow you to interface with that
> database. This doesn't necessarily answer why it showed up on your
> computer, only one possible solution.
>
> > Please think! The above was done as research. Do you think I would
> > publish this on the Internet for the whole world to see, as you say,
> > stealing this. Come on, be honest! What hacker would go on the
> > Internet and tell his victims, I’m using your computer.
>
> Well, not pointing fingers, but a really stupid hacker would find a way
> to implicate him- or herself. But someone who naively does something
> technically illegal in the name of research can face the same charges.
> See the Randall Schwartz case: http://www.lightlink.com/spacenka/fors/
>
> > No, you stole it.
> >
> > Hey Buddy! I see no increase in my bank account. In fact, I took the
> > time to advise each company of what was happening and to show them the
> > amount of revenue that is going out their door. If that’s stealing,
> > I’m the poorest theft in this world. Want to put a nickel in my tin
> > can?
>
> Theft does not always have to equate to monetary gain. If that were
> true then why do so many utility providers file suits against people who
> steal cable, telephone, and electrical service? They saw no increase in
> their bank accounts, but neither did they pay for those services.
> Technically speaking, you stole service from the provider, and the
> provider could equate that service to a financial loss.
>
>
> > ME> Company policies show that security is not used in cases of closed
> > accounts.
> >
> > Really? Can you show us one of those policies, or provide a link?
> > Just one? Pretty please with Beef on top?
> >
> > How to verify closed DSL accounts: People, if you had a DSL account
> > <read the list of companies listed> and test out my method "yourself".
>
> Again, you sidestep the question. Show a policy, or provide a link.
> Your claim is baseless otherwise.
>
>
> > A hacker with a customers account other than his own can open all
> > these doors for their use. I’m trying to help people put a permanent
> > stop to this *** and show them how it’s being done. You continue to
> > call me a thief. Again, remember a thief doesn’t tell all their
> > secrets. Do you put all your knowledge on the Internet to help
> > people, or keep it for your own personal use?
>
> A stupid thief will brag and is often caught sooner than other thieves.
> What you are showing is that the ISPs you tested seem not to enforce
> their time limits on dial-up accounts. Is this a hacker problem? No.
> It is your problem if the hacker has your user ID and password because
> you must then prove that you did not place those calls. Judging by the
> tesatimony posted in Usenet, that would be hard for you to do.
>
> > ME> Since hackers already know the e-mail addresses and passwords,
> > And what is your evidence for this? Do hackers know my email address
> > (maybe, since the one in this message is valid) and password (WTF do I
> > care that hackers have my hotmail password)?
> >
> > Malicious hackers hacked into my computers and they knew my e-mail
> > address and password. Why do you think I dedicated 2.5 years of my
> > life writing my book?
>
> You could have devoted a couple hours in changing your password. I
> haven't a clue why you devoted so much time to your book.
>
> > Once a hacked system hosts an SMB Server, "all" your mail is sent to
> > the hacker first. Internet Service Providers (ISP) Tech Reps advised
> > me to forward complaints through e-mail. DUH! The only way a
> > complaint would have been acknowledged is by forwarding it through the
> > US Postal Service.
>
> I think you better tell us what you think SMB stands for. If you think
> that Server Message Block is something that can get to my email, I think
> you're mistaken. Every Windows computer in the world is both a SMB
> server and client. Look up File and Printer Sharing.
>
> > I contacted different DSL companies to obtain information on their
> > dial-up time which is included with their DSL service. I didn’t have
> > an account with these companies, so an assumption was made on my part.
> > After all, Earthlink and MSN, two different ISP’s were tested and
> > verified.
>
> But you represented that all were tested. Are there similar
> discrepancies in your other documentation?
>
> > For curiosity sake, four ISP’s were used simultaneously, which in turn
> > froze up my computer. ISP configuration between DCHP and dial-up
> > modem may have been the cause. The fact that I swapped between DCHP
> > and my modem many times through out the day may have confused my
> > computer.
>
> But this doesn't take into account that someone who suffers from severe
> line noise may frequently redial and receive many IP addresses is not
> charged for multiple connections. It must, therefore, be possible that
> you accidentally connected to the same ISP using two modems. If you
> have an external modem, it is possible (remote) that the modem didn't
> hang up when the computer was restarted, and reconnecting through a
> different modem caused your double connection.
>
> > To save money when a company offered better rates, I switched ISP’s.
> > If I was a thief, I’d have money coming out of my ears. There would
> > be no reason to switch. To save money, any contributions sent to me
> > will be used to get me connected to a faster ISP. A woman has a
> > "right" to change her mind whenever she choices to. A man gets stuck
> > in a mud hole and he stays there.
>
> Well, baseless gender inferences aside, your decisions to switch ISPs
> as quickly as you imply without actually making that clear in the first
> place is what caused the confusion. Please refer to my earlier
> questions regarding accuracy of your documentation.
>
> > Please define your responses to my MSN Tech Rep and e-mail address
> > remarks?
>
> If I may interpret, are you asking me to clarify my challenge? If so:
>
> Why are you trusing someone in an entry-level help desk position to
> answer questions regarding multiple connections?
>
> Were you specific enough to make it clear that you were referring to
> simultaneous and not consecutive connections?
>
> Did you read their AUP and TOS to determine if you could establish up to
> nine simultaneous connections?
>
> > One of "The Trackers" is a life long trusted friend who was willing to
> > test my theory with MSN. If I didn’t test my theory you would not
> > hear me speak up on Usenet. To verify: People with an MSN account,
> > try my method as proof of my "truth".
>
> Again, I think you are trying to break contractual agreements without
> first clarifying the nature of the agreement by reading it and not
> relying on a help desk professional. If you want to test somehting like
> this, you need to review the agreement to ensure you don't violate it.
>
>
> > MSN has yet to pass on any retroactive charge on my VISA Card. Hello!
>
> Because they have chosen not to prosecute does not waive tehir right to
> pursue legal remedies in the future. Hello!
>
> > My book has been reviewed by my attorney, plus seven editors who
> > assisted my horrible grammar, punctuation and sentence structure, to
> > no end. They showed me I needed lessons in these areas. No other
> > help is required. I’m awaiting my Copyright number which makes my
> > book legally "mine".
>
> But you've not provided any reviews. As you are well aware, no book is
> worth the paper on which it's printed unless 1) someone gives it a
> favorable review, or 2) the purchase is fully guaranteed. Since you do
> not offer the latter, you must offer the former.
>
> I will gladly volunteer to review your book. As I've said all along, my
> address is valid, and I will sign whatever NDA you deem necessary so
> long as it does not restrict me from providing effective criticism. We
> can negotiate a virtual transfer so that a CD does not have to be
> produced or shipped. However I will, in good faith, pay for first-class
> postage of the CD if you allow me to give an honest review. Since you
> found the time to respond to my post and provide some clarificationas, I
> think a complimentary review is warranted.

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